I hope there will be more products of this line soon! They do all enhance the game so much!
Reviewed first on endzeitgeist.com, then submitted to Nerdtrek and GMS magazine and posted here, on OBS and d20pfsrd.com's shop.
Maybe someone from Legendary Games can shine some light on this, are there any more products planned in this line, maybe even for other adventure paths?
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Reviewed first on endzeitgeist.com, then submitted to Nerdtrek and GMS magazine and posted here, on OBS and d20pfsrd.com's shop.
Thanks for the review EZG! Also of note vis-a-vis the review, The Silence Between and Verity are different empyreal lords (the former is a CG azata, the latter is LG archon, and of course, our detective is a NG angel), so things are even more complex for him :D.
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Maybe someone from Legendary Games can shine some light on this, are there any more products planned in this line, maybe even for other adventure paths?
I was talking to Mark about it just yesterday, and he's obviously been very busy with the day job wearing the blue golem shirt, but we do have at least two more of these planned. So far, while the base Ultimate Relationships product has sold very well, these individual characters haven't done as well, so we always have to balance return on investment of time and effort, so we'll see how the next two do for us and decide from there. Mark may be able to tease the two new characters upcoming; I think they are a lot of fun and will be very interesting and unusual relationship opportunities, and we hope you agree.
Thanks for the infos, Jason!
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The upcoming ones are the kitsune emissary, who was raised by the kami and The Guardian, an intelligent magic katana who upgrades weapon power as you rank up.
Oh, see, now you're just teasing us, Mark.
The offer from LG on these this week was just too good for me to pass up, so I snagged all three, and I'm in the process of absorbing them and wondering how and when I can introduce them to a game.
I'll review them all individually at some point, but for anyone reading this and contemplating: buy them. As soon as you can. Mark has done a fantastic job, and don't be put off by the links to the Far Eastern Adventure Path: these NPCs offer great relationship ideas suitable for any game, and each one I read gives me more ideas on fleshing out my own NPCs for long-term relationships with PCs.
The upcoming ones are the kitsune emissary, who was raised by the kami and The Guardian, an intelligent magic katana who upgrades weapon power as you rank up.
Consider them bought!
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Same here. The Guardian is something I was really hoping for and a great idea too.
For future releases beyond those 2, I think you could check on these boards which NPCs people would like to see first. With a list of the available NPCs that Mark has already worked on for his home game. This would also allow you to assess the market's interest in further releases ;-)
The upcoming ones are the kitsune emissary, who was raised by the kami and The Guardian, an intelligent magic katana who upgrades weapon power as you rank up.
I'm looking forward to both of these.
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Oh, see, now you're just teasing us, Mark.
The offer from LG on these this week was just too good for me to pass up, so I snagged all three, and I'm in the process of absorbing them and wondering how and when I can introduce them to a game.
I'll review them all individually at some point, but for anyone reading this and contemplating: buy them. As soon as you can. Mark has done a fantastic job, and don't be put off by the links to the Far Eastern Adventure Path: these NPCs offer great relationship ideas suitable for any game, and each one I read gives me more ideas on fleshing out my own NPCs for long-term relationships with PCs.
Glad you enjoyed! I happen to think these are super-useful too, having used them for my home game with much success among my players. So far, they haven't sold enough to justify the number of hours of work they take (it's a big reason why I stalled out on Kitsune Emissary, which I've had half done since October), but I think more reviews will surely help out!
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FWIW, I hope sales pick up. I really, really love these.
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FWIW, I hope sales pick up. I really, really love these.
I don't know if it will help sell these or not, but maybe you could take a look at the updated Ultimate Relationships: "Endzeitgeist Edition", now with specific rules for adapting if you're not running an AP or campaign arc. More likely it will help with the main UR instead, but there could be some product synergy!
Same here. The Guardian is something I was really hoping for and a great idea too.
For future releases beyond those 2, I think you could check on these boards which NPCs people would like to see first. With a list of the available NPCs that Mark has already worked on for his home game. This would also allow you to assess the market's interest in further releases ;-)
I do have a list, but I figure that might just be a tease for now given the uncertain future of the line.
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I only bought it to give me ideas how to make my own. Its too close bond to the "Travel to the Orient AP". Maybe some more generic NPC based on stereotype NPCs we would like to have a relationship, like:
- The Bad Boy/Girl
- The Strict Paladin
- The Mysterious Stranger
- The Elven Wizard
- The Gentle Halfling
- The Drunk Dwarf
- The Identity Changelled Half-orc
- The Troubled Hal-elf
- The Dark Necromancer
- The Cat-folk Waiter/Maid
... etc
"Endzeitgeist Edition"? I take it that is an updated version? I bought this over on the Legendary Games website, and I just checked for that update, but this product is not listed at all in my downloads. Weird. It is listed in my purchase history though.
Seconded, I did not notice a revised edition with general guidelines.
I actually don't have it in my assets on any site, so I can't check it. Did it not get those updates? I've had them since last July. I'll poke Jason about it.
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I think there may have been a glitch, Mark. I re-downloaded it yesterday from Paizo.com which says it was updated December 2015 on the site, but the PDF says it's first printing, and it looks identical to the original on a skim-through. Methinks the wrong one got uploaded for the update.
Edit: wow, how wrong can I be? Okay, the incomplete page reference for Milestones is still there, but the Camaraderie Point section in the updated version does provide general guidelines about which column of the chart you should use based upon the level you are when you first encounter an NPC. It's subtle, but incredibly important, and happens at levels which are low enough to make a difference.
I totally missed it.
I think there may have been a glitch, Mark. I re-downloaded it yesterday from Paizo.com which says it was updated December 2015 on the site, but the PDF says it's first printing, and it looks identical to the original on a skim-through. Methinks the wrong one got uploaded for the update.
Edit: wow, how wrong can I be? Okay, the incomplete page reference for Milestones is still there, but the Camaraderie Point section in the updated version does provide general guidelines about which column of the chart you should use based upon the level you are when you first encounter an NPC. It's subtle, but incredibly important, and happens at levels which are low enough to make a difference.
I totally missed it.
So looks like it did go up! There's five or so other small changes like that, and all together, they cover everything you need for a different style of campaign set-up. Though they be but little, they are fierce. They cover both your and Endz's requests in that regard.
Looks like I'm going to have to sit with both versions side-by-side and check all the corrections and additions in full, then revise my review.
Looks like I'm going to have to sit with both versions side-by-side and check all the corrections and additions in full, then revise my review.
I'll go ahead and PM you a changelog, since I have one for my own records. Endz, if you want one, I can send one your way too.
Please do - it makes my job easier and faster and thus means the review will hit site sooner. ;)
I want more of these NPCs! Many more!