Oil of Cure Light Wounds

It was mentioned in another thread that any potion can be created as an oil and vice versa.

We don't have a craft feat in PFSOP, but we can buy any potion of 1st level. Does this make Oils of CLW legal?

Yep. It's a core item. In fact, last I checked, the "Always Available" list in the Guide to OrgPlay even specifically says "potions or oils" of level 0-1 spells.

Why would anyone ever buy a potion of CLW again?

Open as a move, pour over your unconscious friend as a free action.

Why would anyone ever buy a potion of CLW again?

Open as a move, pour over your unconscious friend as a standard action.

Fixed that for you. If drinking a potion is a standard action, pouring one on your friend would not be a free action.

You're both wrong. Administering a potion or an oil to an unconscious creature is a full-round action. It's right there in the Core Rules, guys.

You're both wrong. Administering a potion or an oil to an unconscious creature is a full-round action. It's right there in the Core Rules, guys.

Which is the same thing as saying 'open as a move, pour as a standard'. ;)

Or does taking a Full Round Action take up your Swift action slot as well?

Jiggy wrote:

You're both wrong. Administering a potion or an oil to an unconscious creature is a full-round action. It's right there in the Core Rules, guys.

Which is the same thing as saying 'open as a move, pour as a standard'. ;)

Or does taking a Full Round Action take up your Swift action slot as well?

It doesn't use up your Swift, but it also does not include retrieving the potion/oil from your person.

So if I need healing, I can 5ft step back, retrieve my potion/oil (move) and drink/smear it (standard). If my buddy needs healing, I can 5ft step over, retrieve my potion/oil (move), wait for my next turn, THEN pour/smear it as a full-round action.

Seth Gipson wrote:

Jiggy wrote:

You're both wrong. Administering a potion or an oil to an unconscious creature is a full-round action. It's right there in the Core Rules, guys.

Which is the same thing as saying 'open as a move, pour as a standard'. ;)

Or does taking a Full Round Action take up your Swift action slot as well?

It doesn't use up your Swift, but it also does not include retrieving the potion/oil from your person.

So if I need healing, I can 5ft step back, retrieve my potion/oil (move) and drink/smear it (standard). If my buddy needs healing, I can 5ft step over, retrieve my potion/oil (move), wait for my next turn, THEN pour/smear it as a full-round action.

And that's fine, but you are the only one mentioning moving towards the person who needs healing or the drawing of the thing. We never said those were free actions.

Jiggy's got it right.

Jiggy wrote:

Seth Gipson wrote:

Jiggy wrote:

You're both wrong. Administering a potion or an oil to an unconscious creature is a full-round action. It's right there in the Core Rules, guys.

Which is the same thing as saying 'open as a move, pour as a standard'. ;)

Or does taking a Full Round Action take up your Swift action slot as well?

It doesn't use up your Swift, but it also does not include retrieving the potion/oil from your person.

So if I need healing, I can 5ft step back, retrieve my potion/oil (move) and drink/smear it (standard). If my buddy needs healing, I can 5ft step over, retrieve my potion/oil (move), wait for my next turn, THEN pour/smear it as a full-round action.

And that's fine, but you are the only one mentioning moving towards the person who needs healing or the drawing of the thing. We never said those were free actions.

You lost me.

You said it was a standard action to apply a potion/oil to an unconscious ally. I said it was a full-round action. It then sounded like you were saying that the full-round action included something other than the application of the potion/oil (was I mistaken?) and so I pointed out that any other stuff you might need to do - moving or drawing the item - would need its own actions in addition to the full-round action to apply.

The confusion is created because Seth is under the mistaken belief that opening a potion is a move action.

Opening a potion isn't listed as any kind of action, and doing so is (presumably) included in the standard action to drink it.

Retrieving a potion is a move action. Using it on yourself (including opening it) is a standard action. Using it on someone else (including opening it) is a full-round action.

Jiggy wrote:

You're both wrong. Administering a potion or an oil to an unconscious creature is a full-round action. It's right there in the Core Rules, guys.

Which is the same thing as saying 'open as a move, pour as a standard'. ;)

Not really.

For instance, if you need to break a full round action over two turns, it takes two standard actions, not a move action and a standard action as you're describing.

Using it on someone else (including opening it) is a full-round action.

Actually, the full-round action is for using it on an unconscious target. Pouring a potion down the throat of an active ally isn't covered in the rules (standard to drink it - which by definition means pouring it down your OWN throat - or a full-round to pour it down a helpless throat, but nothing for pouring down a non-helpless, non-you throat).

Similarly, an oil is only a full-round action to smear on a helpless target. Its default activation action is a standard, but that's to smear it, not drink it. And unlike "drink", "smear" doesn't imply self-use, so it would also apply to targeting a conscious ally.

So if you feel like spending 900+ gold per encounter buffing your allies, at least make sure they're oils of bull's strength instead of potions. ;)

Jonathan Cary wrote:

Using it on someone else (including opening it) is a full-round action.

Actually, the full-round action is for using it on an unconscious target. Pouring a potion down the throat of an active ally isn't covered in the rules (standard to drink it - which by definition means pouring it down your OWN throat - or a full-round to pour it down a helpless throat, but nothing for pouring down a non-helpless, non-you throat).

Similarly, an oil is only a full-round action to smear on a helpless target. Its default activation action is a standard, but that's to smear it, not drink it. And unlike "drink", "smear" doesn't imply self-use, so it would also apply to targeting a conscious ally.

So if you feel like spending 900+ gold per encounter buffing your allies, at least make sure they're oils of bull's strength instead of potions. ;)

I can see pouring a potion down a throat being a full round action, I am trying to justify smearing oil on a helpless person?

I should had said a move to retrieve, not open.

I can see pouring a potion down a throat being a full round action, I am trying to justify smearing oil on a helpless person?

In PFS you have to follow the rules as written, even if you don't think they make sense. So until the rule is changed (or 'clarified' in a FAQ entry) applying an oil to a helpless target takes a full round.

Seth Gipson wrote:

Jiggy wrote:

You're both wrong. Administering a potion or an oil to an unconscious creature is a full-round action. It's right there in the Core Rules, guys.

Which is the same thing as saying 'open as a move, pour as a standard'. ;)

Or does taking a Full Round Action take up your Swift action slot as well?

It doesn't use up your Swift, but it also does not include retrieving the potion/oil from your person.

So if I need healing, I can 5ft step back, retrieve my potion/oil (move) and drink/smear it (standard). If my buddy needs healing, I can 5ft step over, retrieve my potion/oil (move), wait for my next turn, THEN pour/smear it as a full-round action.

Fine tuning: 5-ft step (non action), retrieve potion/oil (move), start a full round action to pour/smear (standard), wait for next turn, THEN complete full round action to pour/smear (standard), you still have move action remaining in the second turn.

here's a difference for you Jiggy.

My Dwarf PC carries Potions of CMW... in case he goes negitive on hit points. He explains to before each game that the PCs should not waste wand shots on him, he has SR, so wands often don't work. pour the potion into him, it's work.

A potion considers the drinker to be Caster and Target and so is inside the SR (no SR roll for your own spells). If Oil is applied to someone else as a target... then SR applies and you would not want to use it on a target with SR. Even if that target was your PC (standard action to lower SR, standard action to apply oil to self...mmmmm, roll SR on the oil please).

here's a difference for you Jiggy.

My Dwarf PC carries Potions of CMW... in case he goes negitive on hit points. He explains to before each game that the PCs should not waste wand shots on him, he has SR, so wands often don't work. pour the potion into him, it's work.

A potion considers the drinker to be Caster and Target and so is inside the SR (no SR roll for your own spells). If Oil is applied to someone else as a target... then SR applies and you would not want to use it on a target with SR. Even if that target was your PC (standard action to lower SR, standard action to apply oil to self...mmmmm, roll SR on the oil please).

That difference doesn't really apply since the spell resistance is quite clearly for undead as per: "An undead creature can apply Spell Resistance, and can attempt a Will save to take half damage."

....unless you're undead nosig?

*runs*

Speaking of undead, or, at least, negative energy affinity, can you buy potions or oils of the Inflict spells?

Speaking of undead, or, at least, negative energy affinity, can you buy potions or oils of the Inflict spells?

I don't see why not. For a monster themed party (partaaayyy!) it would be very nice to have.

kinevon wrote:

Speaking of undead, or, at least, negative energy affinity, can you buy potions or oils of the Inflict spells?

I don't see why not. For a monster themed party (partaaayyy!) it would be very nice to have.

Not so much for a monster-themed party, although there is a scenario where you need to pay attention to what you are doing, as for those of us with the Dhampir boon and a character built using it...

nosig wrote:

here's a difference for you Jiggy.

My Dwarf PC carries Potions of CMW... in case he goes negitive on hit points. He explains to before each game that the PCs should not waste wand shots on him, he has SR, so wands often don't work. pour the potion into him, it's work.

A potion considers the drinker to be Caster and Target and so is inside the SR (no SR roll for your own spells). If Oil is applied to someone else as a target... then SR applies and you would not want to use it on a target with SR. Even if that target was your PC (standard action to lower SR, standard action to apply oil to self...mmmmm, roll SR on the oil please).

That difference doesn't really apply since the spell resistance is quite clearly for undead as per: "An undead creature can apply Spell Resistance, and can attempt a Will save to take half damage."

....unless you're undead nosig?

*runs*

An interesting concept. Now if I can just get the judges in PFS to read it that way. And still be prepared for YMMV. More than likely they will not except it, and will treat it like any other spell (Shield of Faith for example).

Roac wrote:

nosig wrote:

here's a difference for you Jiggy.

My Dwarf PC carries Potions of CMW... in case he goes negitive on hit points. He explains to before each game that the PCs should not waste wand shots on him, he has SR, so wands often don't work. pour the potion into him, it's work.

A potion considers the drinker to be Caster and Target and so is inside the SR (no SR roll for your own spells). If Oil is applied to someone else as a target... then SR applies and you would not want to use it on a target with SR. Even if that target was your PC (standard action to lower SR, standard action to apply oil to self...mmmmm, roll SR on the oil please).

That difference doesn't really apply since the spell resistance is quite clearly for undead as per: "An undead creature can apply Spell Resistance, and can attempt a Will save to take half damage."

....unless you're undead nosig?

*runs*

An interesting concept. Now if I can just get the judges in PFS to read it that way. And still be prepared for YMMV. More than likely they will not except it, and will treat it like any other spell (Shield of Faith for example).

Hmm... well ok, you would need to lower it as a standard action which, as you would be unconscious, would be impossible.

"A creature can voluntarily lower its spell resistance. Doing so is a standard action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity. Once a creature lowers its resistance, it remains down until the creature's next turn. At the beginning of the creature's next turn, the creature's spell resistance automatically returns unless the creature intentionally keeps it down (also a standard action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity)."

To be honest I never really noticed that. The more you learn I suppose....

there would be some greasy mothy-frockers by the end of the dungeon crawl! My group goes through massive healing, I may need to impose a Grease-like condition on them after a while! ;P

I can see pouring a potion down a throat being a full round action, I am trying to justify smearing oil on a helpless person?

I should had said a move to retrieve, not open.

It rubs the lotion on it's skin.......

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How longs it take you to put on sunscreen?