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I'm okay with it, it's not really an "issue". But it isn't realistic, so if I were running a game where my players cared about verisimilitude, I'd have something happen. Not neccessarily where they're adventuring, but at least SOMETHING would happen. Maybe a truce in the Molthune war, maybe an expansion of the Worldwound, etc.
As I see it, Paizo's doing us a favor. They've given us a setting to use however we see fit. They've created nations, kickstarted certain events and conflicts, and populated the world with thousands of intriguing individuals. We don't have to take cataclysms or spellplagues into account and we can end/start/expand/whatever conflicts and dramatic events as needed for each GM's own vision of where the setting's going without having to worry about official continuity.
Also, I don't see why it's Paizo's responsibility to move the setting forward. That's the GM's job (and the players). Paizo's providing us with plenty of options to do just that with the many modules and adventure paths they publish as well as plenty of supplements we can draw inspiration from.
In my mind, they're making our job easier while not making the decisions for us. We get to decide where the setting goes.
Naturally, you mileage may vary. :)
shadowing.
Can you give an actual example of a problem? Specifically?
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Can you give an actual example of a problem? Specifically?
Was this directed at me?
I don't really think there is a problem. If Golarion were the real world, there might be, but it's not and there isn't. It's a minor matter of verisimilitude that is easily "filled in" by whoever is GMing the game.Heck, even in game PCs wouldn't notice anything amiss, since "periods of quiet" are never as noticeable as "periods of disquiet," and without newspapers or mass media alerting us to the wider world, most people on earth wouldn't notice that "nothing of hisorical import has been happening."
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At some point doesn't that become unrealistic? e.g. The "current year" in the PFCCS is 4708. If nothing happens between '08 and '10 in the timeline, it would be a very uneventful world, wouldn't it?Does it advance the timeline?I think Vic mentioned something about 1 game year for every 2 of ours or the other way around. Cant find the thread right now. I'll keep looking.
Hopefully it wont be like FR where it was stuck on DR1358 for like 10 years.
Nope; it's 1 year per real year. To get the current year in Golarion, just add 2700 to our current year.
But we're not planning on advancing the actual events in world anytime soon. We still assume that all our modules and adventures begin on the current day, even though that current day advances ever forward. In other words, we don't want to self-obsolete our products.
At some point, it probalby does. But since we don't plan on revising the Campaign Setting again anytime soon (we'll reprint it, but now that this next version is locked in we won't be further revising it), it's not really going to be a problem.
I suspect we'll not be revising the Inner Sea book again until we get around to doing the 2nd edition of Pathfinder, which is still many, many years in the future.
Still good. The wife should get it for me for Valentine's Day.
Well, I'm still getting used to the bag of devouring instead of the blue dragon, but what Gorbacz said.
Well, I'm still getting used to the bag of devouring instead of the blue dragon, but what Gorbacz said.I was hoping to follow The Tranquil Path of Leafy Face and Pink Pony, and never change the avatar, but the moment I saw the bag I failed my Will save vs. Crystal's Wicked Ideas.
Yeah, there's been previous few of them in illustrations, and this one's an instant classic.
As I told James last night apparently they just need to get some cots and just have everyone live at work.:) J/K I really do prefer the fact that Paizo won't release a book that isn't ready. Keep it up guys!
If it helps the book, I'm fine with the delay.
Nuts. :(
So this has been pushed back to February 2011 now? Just to clarify, as it still says for preorder September 2010 (near book description).
Product Schedule still has it listed for September 2010.
Ok, the only reason I ask is because a few posts up makes reference to chat on July 13th/14th where James Jacobs indicates the revision of the Campaign Setting has been pushed back to February.
That's what this is, correct?
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Ok, the only reason I ask is because a few posts up makes reference to chat on July 13th/14th where James Jacobs indicates the revision of the Campaign Setting has been pushed back to February.
That's what this is, correct?
This is indeed the revision to the Campaign Setting. We aren't sure when exactly it'll be delayed to yet; hopefully we'll get that sorted out sometime soon.
When the PDF product comes out, *please* have the map in a separate file from the rest of the book.
-- david
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one more vote for the low templar in the revised, you could allow it for spell casting too.....not required just if they can already cast spells from another source......
anyway if nothing else I'm not willing to buy an AP for it, would just as well download the errata for the first printing of there ends up being one.
anyway have a nice day
but if I had my vote, I'd stay away from the genine binder, I dislike that prc... not sure why though...... must be that i like frost mages....
The Low Templar will be in the book. He won't be a spellcasting class, though.
but if I had my vote, I'd stay away from the genine binder, I dislike that prc... not sure why though...... must be that i like frost mages....
I think you`re referring to the Daivrat, which is in the Qadira Companion?
I`m a huge fan of the archetype (and the D&D inspiration, al-Qadim`s Shaìr class), but after initially being excited about the Daivrat, I felt it just didn`t hold up enough to make it worthwhile to play vs. just continuing as a Sorceror or whatnot. I think the problem was that it was written while the final PRPG rules were still being revised, so I get the impression there certainly wasn`t the sort of strong editorial support to give a good idea about what a PRPG Caster PrC should look like, and how it should compare to the base class progression. I think the Daivrat IS a prime case for being revised, even though it was technically written as a PRPG class. Seeing it in the Inner Sea Guide would be awesome.
Preorder expected February 2011
Oh, the humanity!
I'm glad for the push-back, my wallet is was really feeling the strain of a big summer/fall from Paizo. This readjusted schedule gives me some breathing room. And even though I am looking forward to the book, I have the existing PCCS in the meantime so no rush.
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I'm glad for the push-back, my wallet is was really feeling the strain of a big summer/fall from Paizo. This readjusted schedule gives me some breathing room. And even though I am looking forward to the book, I have the existing PCCS in the meantime so no rush.
+1.
The original "4 months of hardcovers in a row" plan was a killer for overseas subscribers :)
This is indeed the revision to the Campaign Setting. We aren't sure when exactly it'll be delayed to yet; hopefully we'll get that sorted out sometime soon.
There is any particular reason for that delaying? Anything new and surprising?
Unfortunately this choice between 'wait 7-8 months for a PF Campaign Setting Book' or 'plop down $85 now for an outdated book (and pdf)' is a killer for me!
Pick up the Gazetteer.
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This is indeed the revision to the Campaign Setting. We aren't sure when exactly it'll be delayed to yet; hopefully we'll get that sorted out sometime soon.There is any particular reason for that delaying? Anything new and surprising?
The primary reason for the delay is called "Advanced Player's Guide." The secondary reason is called "Bestiary 2."
Basically, building harcover books is very time consuming, and scheduling three of them to come out within 3 or 4 months of each other turned out to be flat-out impossible. We had to delay one of them, or ALL of them were going to end up late. And the World Guide ended up being the one we chose to delay.
The primary reason for the delay is called "Advanced Player's Guide." The secondary reason is called "Bestiary 2."
Basically, building harcover books is very time consuming, and scheduling three of them to come out within 3 or 4 months of each other turned out to be flat-out impossible. We had to delay one of them, or ALL of them were going to end up late. And the World Guide ended up being the one we chose to delay.
Well, to be pedantic, scheduling them turned out fine; delivering according to that schedule, however... ;)
This is indeed the revision to the Campaign Setting. We aren't sure when exactly it'll be delayed to yet; hopefully we'll get that sorted out sometime soon.There is any particular reason for that delaying? Anything new and surprising?The primary reason for the delay is called "Advanced Player's Guide." The secondary reason is called "Bestiary 2."
Basically, building harcover books is very time consuming, and scheduling three of them to come out within 3 or 4 months of each other turned out to be flat-out impossible. We had to delay one of them, or ALL of them were going to end up late. And the World Guide ended up being the one we chose to delay.
Well this is bad and good, bad cause I wanted this information before I started my 2nd Darkness Camp. But the good is that Paizo wants quality instead of rushing it out and its easy on my pocketbook
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I'm glad for the push-back, my wallet is was really feeling the strain of a big summer/fall from Paizo. This readjusted schedule gives me some breathing room. And even though I am looking forward to the book, I have the existing PCCS in the meantime so no rush.
Agreed! I was seriously looking at my budget, trying to balance going to conventions while also planning on how I was going to afford my subscriptions, as well. Of course I want my hands on this book now, but if the wait makes the book that much better and gives me time between hardback book releases, then I'm totally behind the wait on the book's release.
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Well, to be pedantic, scheduling them turned out fine; delivering according to that schedule, however... ;)
I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here beyond annoying me, unfortunately. I would have MUCH rather had the revised World Guide out by September, it's original scheduled date. It's not going to happen. I don't have to come on here and explain the reasons, and snarky comments like these tend to convince me I shouldn't bother. Even with smily faces attached. ;-)
Just reading James' comment above makes me want to say thank you for not allowing something out before it is entirely ready. I would rather have the release date changed and get a wonderful product than to have a rushed product that is subpar.
Just my 2 cp.
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Sad it's pushed back, but thankful because it wouldn't of been ready. Looking forward to February! In the meantime, I can budget picking up the two Bestiaries.
The current cover (with a white stripe at the bottom)... has the 'Roleplaying Game' logo instead of Campaign Setting logo. Does this mean it is shifting to the regular hardback subscription line?
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Sad it's pushed back, but thankful because it wouldn't of been ready. Looking forward to February! In the meantime, I can budget picking up the two Bestiaries.
The current cover (with a white stripe at the bottom)... has the 'Roleplaying Game' logo instead of Campaign Setting logo. Does this mean it is shifting to the regular hardback subscription line?
Nope. It means the cover we're showing above is not the final cover.
Nope. It means the cover we're showing above is not the final cover.
Aside from the text, I really like that cover and hope that's the final artwork. It's like the 3.5e Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting cover except the next round of the combat, so if you have the two books the two books side-by-side tell an ongoing story in their art.
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Nope. It means the cover we're showing above is not the final cover.Aside from the text, I really like that cover and hope that's the final artwork. It's like the 3.5e Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting cover except the next round of the combat, so if you have the two books the two books side-by-side tell an ongoing story in their art.
It IS the final artwork for the cover; it's just the layout and design that's still being worked on.
As someone who owns the original campaign setting, I can really appreciate taking the time to do it right. I love the old one but it really shows how rushed it was. Paizo has grown a lot as a game company and its nice that they are willing to put books on hold in order to make sure the quality of their work remains outstanding. Keep up the good work guys, we all appreciate it!!!
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I am ok with the delay. There is enough other material (from paizo) to read till february.
Regarding the cover - artwork is very good, but the subtitle in the opaque text square is somewhat odd from a graphical POV. Additionally the text-square covers too much of the art.
I hope their artist exchanges this element with something better for the final edition.
The cover is not final yet. The art is, but the layout is not; we've got MONTHS to dial that look in.
The cover is not final yet. The art is, but the layout is not; we've got MONTHS to dial that look in.I am ok with the delay. There is enough other material (from paizo) to read till february.
Regarding the cover - artwork is very good, but the subtitle in the opaque text square is somewhat odd from a graphical POV. Additionally the text-square covers too much of the art.
I hope their artist exchanges this element with something better for the final edition.
LOL. If I'm the 20th person in the thread to ask a question where the answer is, "The cover isn't final," what do I win?