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Hey all,
Does continuing a bardic performance count as casting a spell for the purposes of invisibility or vanish? Does starting a bardic performance? They are supernatural abilities and as long as I am not "attacking" or effecting an enemy I think a bard could be invis and sing inspire courage. Does that sound correct?
If they were invis and singing, I assume enemies would be able to pinpoint your square, but they would still have 50% miss chance and be denied dex bonus to AC. That sound correct?
Thanks for the input.


Vestrial wrote:
wkndwor13 wrote:

I am the DM of a game where a character is playing a Teifling rogue with the claws racial ability. They want to purchase a "ring of magic fang" or equivalent item. I have seen some posts theorizing that animals could use such items, but my question is how much would a ring or collar of magic fang cost? What about a ring or collar of greater magic fang? I know they can get a permanency spell cast on them, but I would rather they had a magic item.

Would the caster have to decide what attack it affected (for instance a ring of magic fang-claws) or would the wearer decide in some fashion?

Is it broken to allow the PC to use equivalent magic abilities for weapons instead of just a ring of magic fang (so allowing them to get a +1 flaming ring that gives one of their natural attacks +1 and flaming, for instance). In this case I was thinking about just costing it the same as a +2 weapon would cost and being done with it.

Thanks for the feedback!

For just one natural weapon, I would do as you suggest and price it as the equivalent weapon (maybe add a bit of a bump to the cost as there are some advantages, but I wouldn't go crazy).

Otherwise just make it a ring of mighty fists, there's no reason that will break your game.

Ya I think I like this answer best. I don't think I will let the PC do flaming or anything like that, but I think 2000gp for a ring of magic fang to get +1 to one claw attack is pretty fair. If they want to do flaming, etc then go the route of Amulet.

Kazaan, thanks for doing the math, but I think I will just compare it to a +1 weapon instead of a use activated item.

Thanks everyone for the input.


I meant why couldn't there be an X of magic fang (slot doesn't matter, but I figured for a claw attack a ring made the most sense) instead of using an amulet of mighty fists. The amulet does a lot of extra stuff besides just granting a single attack +1.


Oh, thats cool.
So what about the question of a "ring of magic fang?" could it be done?


I am the DM of a game where a character is playing a Teifling rogue with the claws racial ability. They want to purchase a "ring of magic fang" or equivalent item. I have seen some posts theorizing that animals could use such items, but my question is how much would a ring or collar of magic fang cost? What about a ring or collar of greater magic fang? I know they can get a permanency spell cast on them, but I would rather they had a magic item.

Would the caster have to decide what attack it affected (for instance a ring of magic fang-claws) or would the wearer decide in some fashion?

Is it broken to allow the PC to use equivalent magic abilities for weapons instead of just a ring of magic fang (so allowing them to get a +1 flaming ring that gives one of their natural attacks +1 and flaming, for instance). In this case I was thinking about just costing it the same as a +2 weapon would cost and being done with it.

Thanks for the feedback!