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You get all of your attacks on a full attacks as soon as you have the weapons... but that is all you are ever going to get.

This thread is old but I found it while googling, and others may as well, so I thought I would correct this.

Creatures with natural attacks and attacks made with weapons can use both as part of a full attack action (although often a creature must forgo one natural attack for each weapon clutched in that limb, be it a claw, tentacle, or slam). Such creatures attack with their weapons normally but treat all of their available natural attacks as secondary attacks during that attack, regardless of the attack’s original type.

Wielding a weapon in hand1, the "extra" claw and bite attacks are now considered secondary, so they get -5

So, full attack with a base attack of +6/+1 would look like :

weapon hand1 +6 (damage +str)
weapon hand1 +1 (damage +str)
claw hand2 +1 (damage +1/2str)
bite +1 (damage +1/2str)

Or with Multiattack:

weapon hand1 +6 (damage +str)
weapon hand1 +1 (damage +str)
claw hand2 +4 (damage +1/2str)
bite +4 (damage +1/2str)

Hello Paizo / Pathfinder community!

We are having a slight dispute in our gaming group regarding how the Feat Cooperative Crafting (CC) and the Aid Another action inter-operate

It is my opinion that these rules were meant to work together as such:

Cooperative Crafting adds a +2 circumstance bonus in addition to the +2 unnamed Aid Another bonus

Any (reasonable) number of crafters may cooperate on a single project.
Those without CC may Aid Another for +2
Those with the CC feat Aid Another for +2, CC for another +2, and add +1N to the lead crafters output

My friend is interpreting & petitioning our gm thusly:

You may not Aid Another while using CC, so still only a +2 bonus.

CC uses the word "Both" so he thinks only 1 character can assist in this manner.

I'd love to get an "official" interpretation to submit for my GM's analysis.

Thanks!!

Also to consider, when attempting to control intelligent undead:: The power of Bestow Curse.

You can layer the curses so that the intelligent undead is almost impossible to save:

Bestow a -6 penalty to save vs command by anyone in your religion.
Then bestow a general -4 penalty to will saves.
Then bestow a conditinal curse: *If* the creature attempts to betray you or disobey your orders, it suffers a -6 penalty to wisdom.

See if that ghoul, ghast, or wight can make a saving throw at -13!

Bestow curse can also be good for your front line:: Curse some creatures to become Enraged at the sight of species X, or to become diseased, etc.

The guide is very good, I've been developing a Cleric Minion Mancer, starting at level 1, and It was quite helpful. I agree that the Undead Lord is not a fair trade off for 2 domains, I've instead chosen Death(Undeath), and Law(Inevitable), for Command Undead as 3rd level spell.

For traits, I took Omen, for the swift demoralize and Intimidate as class skill. I use intimidate to quick debuff before casting Cause Fear or using the Inevitable Command Domain Ability.

I also chose Beast Bond for Ride as a class skill. A must for any minion-mancer, IMO.

I went Human, so two feats at level 1: Command Undead, and Spell Focus(Necromancy).

Command Undead(feat) is not that useful, due to the low HD cap.. However, I use it to catch overflow from the Animate pool, or to dominate ghouls or other low level Intelligent undead.

At 3rd level, I took Spell Specialization ( Lesser Animate Dead ) for the +2 caster level, netting me a 20HD command pool at level 3.

I'm glad someone mentioned Blood Money.. I found an NPC wizard with Craft Wonderous and commissioned a 1/day "knife of blood money" for ~800 gp (1*1*2000, *2 for slotless, /5 for 1/day). In the long run, I've ended up buying 3 of them!

5th level FINALLY came, bringing with it 3rd level spells, switching Spell Specialization to regular old Animate Dead. (woo animating Large/Huge creatures!) (woo Command Undead as a spell!).

Feat choice was clear to me : Undead Mastery. Some people apparently undervalue this feat... The wording is clearly bad, but my GM has ruled that I get a + 4 levels to my DC for Command(Feat), but not HD that can be controlled. This is a fairly weak bonus, I agree, but the meat of this feat comes in the next two:

+4 CL for "animate" pool. Some say this is a waste... those who do, do not see the advantages of stacking multiple templates on your skeles. At 5th level, with +4 from UM, and +2 from SP, cast desecrate, == 44HD "animate pool" Add in another level from any various source (Death Knell, DeathWine), and that == 3 "5hd" Bloody,Burning Owlbear skele's per casting.

And the best part, is doubling the duration on Command Undead(spell). At 5th level, that becomes 10 days... which means that casting 1/day, I can have 10 skeletons of any HD under that "pool". Put the biggest skele's here.

at 5th level, that means 5HD from Command(feat), 28HD from Animate, and, assuming average HD of say 6HD for the 10x Commanded undead, that == 93 HD.

At 6th level, I plan to swap my Spell Specialization from Animate to Command, losing 8hd from the Animate pool, in favor of 4 more HD irrelevant Commanded undead /spell slot (assuming that slot is used daily). I will also go for the Agent of the Grave PRC, which will replace the 8HD from Animate.

I want to point out that 2nd level AoTG allows mind-affecting spells to be used on undead. Of course this means command, charm person, etc.. But it ALSO means BLESS, AID, BLOOD RAGE, etc.

I'm not sure where to go with my 7th level feat.. Perhaps Extend Spell, to get me another spell slot of Command Undead, with double (triple) duration, as my "4th level domain spell".. Maybe Leadership. Leadership gets me intelligent cohort / followers.. Extend, gets me 21 more mindless undead of any HD ( ~120HD!! ) , at the cost of my 4th level Domain slot (enervation). My GM is giving us Leadership for free at 10th level (with a +4 bonus if you took it as a feat), so I'm leaning towards Extend. May also go for Craft Wonderous, and crank out "Command Undead" items... Open to suggestions tho!!

At 9th level I plan to go with Greater Spell Specialization (Command Undead) -- this will allow me to cast Command spontaneously, liberating it from my Domain slots.

Potentially, this means that if I use *all* of my 3rd and 4th level spell slots for Command, my control pools at 9th level would look like:

Command Feat: 9hd
Animate Bucket: 52hd
Command Spell : 5x 3rd level slot duration 18days = _90_ commanded undead, ~540 HD! (avg 6 hd each)
4x 4th level slot duration 27 days = 108 commanded undead, ~648HD (avg 6HD each)

Grand total at *9th* level ==~ 1,249 HD OF UNDEAD!!

My GM is going to hate me ;)