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Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:
Depends on how convincing you find SKR.

Life oracle wrote "You can channel positive energy like a cleric" ,but here just said " duplicating the effect of the countersong,distraction, or inspire courage bardic performance of a bard of his paladin level"

So... as my opinion,it is not the same.


When I check one of my PC's Character I found that she used martyr, a paladin's archetype, and she choosed Lingering Performance.But Lingering Performance have a Prerequisite that you must have Bardic Performance.So I think it wouldn't work.Because there didin't said it work like Bardic Performance or some thing.But she said "duplicating" mean the same as so is legal to used it.Duplicating is not so clear like "work like" or "as" and Ididn't found some rule about that.

Stigmata: As a standard action, the martyr can chant hymns of faith and cause bleeding stigmata to visibly appear on his body; at 7th level, he can manifest stigmata as a move action, and at 13th level, he can do so as a swift action. He can use this ability a number of rounds per day equal to 4 + his Charisma modifier at 1st level, plus 1 ad ditional round per day for each level beyond 1st. While his stigmata are active, he takes 1 point of bleed damage, which automatically ceases when he ends this ability but otherwise does not relent, even in the face of magical healing or Heal checks. His stigmata assist his allies, duplicating the effect of the countersong, distraction, or inspire courage bardic performance of a bard of his paladin level, though both countersong and distraction use Heal skill checks instead of Perform skill checks. At 10th level, he can choose to duplicate the effects of inspire greatness. At 16th level, he can choose to duplicate the effects of inspire heroics.


Okay.....so it could not stack? Em....so I have to find a way to convince him of this even the FAQ haven't wrote Magus Arcana? God help me.


SorrySleeping wrote:

I think it would help if you let us know what two Magus archetypes the other player is trying to get.

Technically, even adding to the list of Magus Arcana without other things is changing Magus Arcana, so archetypes wouldn't stack because of that. However, that is also stupid if that is the only thing blocking him from taking two different archetypes and I think most GMs would rule it would be fine.

Like Hexcrafter & Spellblade,Bladebound & Hexcrafter or so on.

Em....I made a mistake. The archetypes we were arguing about like Bladebound which had wrote "This ability replaces the magus arcana gained at 3rd level" ,so wo thought that is had changed Magus Arcana so it would be gray to choose another archetype which can add to the list of Magus Arcana. Sorry I didn't express that. My apologize.


In the FAQ which is about "Archetype Stacking and Altering: What exactly counts as altering a class feature for the purpose of stacking archetypes?" said that.

In general, if a class feature grants multiple subfeatures, it’s OK to take two archetypes that only change two separate subfeatures. This includes two bard archetypes that alter or replace different bardic performances (even though bardic performance is technically a single class feature) or two fighter archetypes that replace the weapon training gained at different levels (sometimes referred to as “weapon training I, II, III, or IV”) even though those all fall under the class feature weapon training. However, if something alters the way the parent class feature works, such as a mime archetype that makes all bardic performances completely silent, with only visual components instead of auditory, you can’t take that archetype with an archetype that alters or replaces any of the sub-features. This even applies for something as small as adding 1 extra round of bardic performance each day, adding an additional bonus feat to the list of bonus feats you can select, or adding an additional class skill to the class. As always, individual GMs should feel free to houserule to allow small overlaps on a case by case basis, but the underlying rule exists due to the unpredictability of combining these changes.

And here an acquaintance says that some Magus's Archetype juet wrote "gains access to the following magus arcana" so it means that it doesn't change one subfeature. But I and some one else have different opinion. We thought that it's still change one subfeature just like the explame was wrote in this FAQ. And we still found that the designer Mark Seifter had replied that.

1) If you have a class feature that is broken into separate features with their names in italics (like bardic performance) or that are gained at multiple levels on the character chart (like weapon training), you can alter those child features separately.
2) Either way, if you mess with a parent feature (such as changing the rounds of bardic performance, or changing the ability score you use for deeds), no stacking.
3) Changing which class skills you have is messing with a parent feature. So is changing which bonus feats are on your list. If you do one of those, you can't take another archetype that also does anything with class skills or bonus feats, respectively. For instance, a fighter archetype that adds Iron Will to the list of fighter bonus feats would not stack with one that removed the 2nd level bonus feat. But the aforementioned "remove the 2nd level bonus feat" archetype would stack with one that removes the 4th level bonus feat.

But in his opinion, these things have not mention Magus Arcana so that couldn't proof that what he said is wrong.
Can somebody tell me which one make a misunderstand this FAQ?


I thinks hat quarterstaff should be made by wood would be no doubt about it.
But seriously I think what he wants to ask is not this simple question but "Could Sansetsukon made by metal" isn't it?


Um.....I think sansetsukon and quarterstaff is totally different things, so I think maybe that would be no problem?