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Nefreet answered my question. There was an errata in the pdf version. 0-levels sells were totally ommited from the stat block.

Yeah i favorited my own post to keep track of it.

"Spells: Ghaeles cast spells as 13th level clerics. They do not gain access to domains or any other cleric ability." -Bestiary p. 25

Spells: A cleric casts divine spells which are drawn from the cleric spell list presented in Spell Lists. Her alignment, however, may restrict her from casting certain spells opposed to her moral or ethical beliefs; see chaotic, evil, good, and lawful spells. A cleric must choose and prepare her spells in advance.

To prepare or cast a spell, a cleric must have a Wisdom score equal to at least 10 + the spell level. The Difficulty Class for a saving throw against a cleric's spell is 10 + the spell level + the cleric's Wisdom modifier.

"Spells: Like other spellcasters, a cleric can cast only a certain number of spells of each spell level per day. Her base daily spell allotment is given on Table: Cleric. In addition, she receives bonus spells per day if she has a high Wisdom score (see Table: Ability Modifiers and Bonus Spells).

Clerics meditate or pray for their spells. Each cleric must choose a time when she must spend 1 hour each day in quiet contemplation or supplication to regain her daily allotment of spells. A cleric may prepare and cast any spell on the cleric spell list, provided that she can cast spells of that level, but she must choose which spells to prepare during her daily meditation." - Core rulebook p.40

The only place i saw something that can be resumed to "orisons at will" is under the "Orisons" cleric/druid ability

"Orisons: Clerics can prepare a number of orisons, or 0-level spells, each day, as noted on Table: Cleric under “Spells per Day.” These spells are cast like any other spell, but they are not expended when cast and may be used again." - core rulebook p. 41

Since ghaeles dont gain any cleric ability other than "Spells", they dont gain the "orisons" ability. So that would mean that 0-level spells are expendex upon casting.

Which quote/page from Core Rulebook's Magic chapter says that 0-level spells can be cast at will?

Where does it says so? In the class description or in the bestiary? If its in the bestiary, could i have the page number.

P.S. note that I'm not talking about spell lile abilities.

I have a question about monsters who cast spells as a class and how it interacts with 0-level spells per day. Since the Cantrips/Orisons is a class ability, does that means that a ghaele, by example, who can cast spells as a 13th level cleric can't cast any orison at all? Or can they cast them, but the spells are expended upon casting? Or can they cast them at will? According to the table they'd be sble to cast orisons, but according to the lavk of the "orison" ability, they couldn't.

Though binding an outsider doesnt mean you must pay it or offer it gift, sometimes a celestial finds the cause just enough to fight by the side of a binder. A celestial is the best placed being to know what the "for the greater good" expression means. Sometimes you dont need to "coerce" a bound creature into service by giving it gifts. In these case explaining why you need the creature's help might be enough, if that coincide with the creature's goals. Just explaining to an angel that you need its help to slay a mighty dragon that killed so many innocents for its greed and that terrorize the country folk might be enough. After all, an angels that lets innocents be killed isnt really good. Standing by just because you worry for your skin or have bigger duties to do isnt good at all, and angels are embodiments of good. Though in game terms, even if you dont offer it gifts, you still need to prove him your cause is just, aka a charisma check. Most often you'd need a great charisma modifier to challenge the angel's since it's most likely you wont get a bonus on it. As spell description states "the DM sets the modifier from +0 to +5 depending of the gifts offered". Since you offer no gifts, the bonus might very well be +0.

For sure, even a celestial wont be "looking forward to get interrupted", if we can say it that way by an arcane caster who didnt ask him to disturb his goals. I think i got answers to all my questions. Thanks all :) .

The question is mainly "since binding a celestial is a good spell, is it evil?" i like the roleplaying idea, but consider it in a "could you help us fight that blue dragon that keeps killing innocents to boost his hoard?" rather than "you either help us kill this dragon or youll remain here... I forgot. Take this treasure along the way".
I consider no. 1 as neutral as long as i release him if he refuse, since im not keeping him against its will. No. 2 would clearly be evil.
And my character is just as restricted as a paladin, but the reasons are by choice rather than by obligation.

Would it be an evil act if i use the magic circle only to call him and erase a part to release him before dealing with him?

So a magic circle against chaos can be used to bind a nonlawful movanic angel?

Also...the planar binding description in PHB says "To create the trap, you must use a Magic circle, focused inward." not "To create the trap, you must use a magic cirle able to restrain a creature of the target's alignment, focused inward."
In ultimate magic, it doesnt specifies the alignement of the circle. So logically, using a a magic circle as a trap, seems to be all the same, no mattet which creature you bind. Is there anywhere that it says the circle needs an alignment creature opposed to the target's?

Is it actually possible to call it with planar binding without using a magic circle, in which case i would only have one chance to try the check? And if he doesnt agree does he have a way of going back? Well... A movanic has planeshift. But still. Thanks for the opinions also. :)

Hi i play a strongly good aligned wizard and i wonder. I consider binding a movanic deva to help my party fight an evil dragon attacking the caravans along a trade road, and thus killing innocents in the way. Binding an angel is naturally a good spell, but requires te casting of an evil spell (magic circle against good). So is binding an angel both a good and evil act?