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Well, i have a few ideas, but they're a little out there. .

What you want is a caster, based around a secondary creature he creates, combined with some more direct-combat intervention.

Sounds like a summoner, or a Druid. Either of these classes are already focused on the secondary creature. The problem is, if you add a full-time construct to a wizard or Sorc, you run the risk of overpowering them, or blowing all your money on the construct.

Using the Summoner would allow you your minion, as well as giving you some combat related bonuses for working with them. If you adjust the flavor of summoning to constructing, it works great. You'll have to work with your DM on this one.

The other idea would be to go the route of leadership. This gains you the cohort, but you're free to pick whatever class you need. If you use a rogue (hello permanent flanking buddy), you can UMD enough wands to cover healing. Or, you could do a bard, or cleric for that matter. Really, with the right feat set, anything can work on the leadership angle, provided you're high enough level.

This way, you can still have your construct, and simply say you took him for leadership, instead of finding your cohort on the streets. Again, work with your DM.

With either of these abilities, you don't HAVE to take crafting feats, but you certainly can if you want.

Good luck, hope you find a build that works. Let me know what you end up trying.

Shadow Servant technically IS a part of the bardic ability. RAW does mean that you'd have to play as long as you wanted the "Shadow Servant" to last. However, i have a hard time believing that is RAI. Unseen servant typically has a duration of 1hr/lvl, making it on par with floating disk, or Mage Armor, except it runs for a couple of minutes, max.

Also, it expends one of the Bards most valuable and unique resources in the process. Bardic ability is measured in rounds because it's meant to be a combat ability, unseen servant is measured in hours because it is a non-combat ability. Crossing the two doesn't work.

so, i don't mean to be impatient, but is anyone out there?

Hey everyone. I've tried searching the forums for answers to my question, but the only things that seem to come up are "what in the world is a wayang?"

Anyways, i want to play one, and i'm looking at the Shadow Puppeteer racial Archetype.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/uncommon-races/arg-wayang/shadow- puppeteer-bard-wayang

Shadow Puppets (Sp): At 1st level, a shadow puppeteer can use bardic performance to create one quasi-real shadowy creature resembling a monster from the summon monster I list. These shadowy creatures otherwise work like shadow conjuration, and targets interacting with them get a Will saving throw (DC 10 + 1/2 your bard level + your Charisma bonus) to treat them as only 20% real. At 4th level and every three levels thereafter, this ability acts like the next higher version of summon monster (summon monster II at 4th level and so on).

This ability in particular is causing me trouble.
1) "can use bardic performance." Does this mean that a bardic performance simply creates, or actually sustains the ability. IE: do i have to keep puppeting to maintain the creature, or can i just create one and move on?
1a) if i can create and move on, can i continue creating more?
2) "one quasi real shadow creature" Does this mean i lose the ability to use a lower level "summon" spell to create more than one creature? If so, why?

Thanks for the help.