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Thank you all for your responses and I will answer Finoan's questions about this scenario.

Note: I have not run a situation like this since I made the transition from 5e to 2e and wanted the opinions/takes from people who are more experienced with the 2e system/lore.

1. The cleric and champion are NPCS.

2. The PC's can choose to ignore both the cleric and the champion but I had it so it will make their job harder if they don't solve the problem of the two fighting. (Should I change this?)

3. They can have the two NPCS find a middle ground. (This is the "best" outcome.)

4. The PCs can rally the townsfolk and ignore the quarreling NPCs but it will be harder because of the sway the cleric and champion hold in the hearts of the commonfolk.

5. I had the scenario as a 'small scale siege' story in my head so I have not factored in if the PCs go out on their own to try and stop the goblin horde.

Question: how would you run the following scenario in your game?

The party is faced with the dilemma of helping a city that worships Shelyn that is under attack by a goblin hoard. But the ranking cleric and the ranking champion are butting heads and can't agree on what should take priority in the city.

The two fighting is causing the people to begin to doubt and lose heart.

The cleric wants to save all the works of art, music, and prioritize those that make them. While the champion wants to put the common folk first and prioritize their safety and well-being.

Both are following the tenants of their goddess, how would you work this to the players as a moral quandary?

Thank you all for your responses, a follow up question if I may:

In the above scenario let us say that the fighter is already grabbed by the Giant Flytrap and it hits her with a Leaf Strike. Our champion uses Liberating Step on the fighter, does she get both the resistance to damage and a free escape attempt since she was already grabbed or just the resistance?

Thank you all for helping me with this!

Question to those who possess more wisdom than me.

The line in the Energized Spark feat:

You can choose for any spirit damage dealt by your exemplar abilities to instead gain the trait and deal the corresponding damage type.

Does this included feats, for example Steel on Steel, and Ikons like Titan's Breaker or is it just their Spirit Striking feature?

Apologies if this has already been answered somewhere else.

Question to all, looking for personal takes and advice.

From a lore perspective: would it make sense for the Horsemen Charon to be the patron specifically for a Devourer of Decay Witch?

Does the Lore of the Horsemen intersect with the flavor text of the Devourer of Decay patron in your opinion?

Say your character is level 10 and uses the occult tradition.

Brothers and Sisters greetings and once again I come to you seeking knowledge. If you were playing a prepared caster what are you go to 1st and 2nd level spells assuming you know nothing about what is going to happen that day?

Is it at GM discretion if an oracle can pick a Pantheon as apposed to a single deity for their Divine Access class feature?

If you were GMing for an oracle would you allow it?

Do you think it makes sense or no?

I have read over the rules multiple times now, built many characters using them, and played in a 5 session level 12 short campaign and I did not 'feel' anymore powerful than when I play my regular campaign which is also at level 12.

For reference in both games I played the same character using free archetype and ancestry paragon. I selected the same feats, skills, and ability boosts, the only difference was the mythic calling and the first mythic destiny feat.

Human fighter (I know generic) with wandering chef archetype, Hunter's Calling and Eternal Legend.

At no point during those 5 sessions did I feel like I was a cut above my none mythic fighter. Sure from a story perspective I was but roll the dice by the numbers? No.

Thank you all! And Cori I will give the two mentioned books a read!

Brothers and Sisters from near and far I come to you once more seeking your wisdom and answer to a question.

Given what has been written in the lore about the Laws of Mortality and the fact that every mortal soul is judged by Pharasma: how would a follower of the Laws of Mortality reconcile the fact that in the end they are still subject to the whims of a deity?

Thank you brothers and sisters for your insightful responses!

My fellow brothers and sisters of Pathfinder I come seeking math advice.

If a fighter has a -1 in both intelligence and charisma does this pose a disadvantage if the fighter is not the face and not the knowledge guru?

So I have a question regarding Liberating Step (Player Core 2, Pg. 92) and I am asking how it works RAW not RAI.

Trigger An enemy damages, grabs, or restrains your ally, and both are in your champion’s aura.

You free an ally from restraint. If the trigger was an ally taking damage, the ally gains resistance to all damage against the triggering damage equal to 2 + your level. The ally can attempt to break free of effects grabbing, restraining, immobilizing, or paralyzing them. They either attempt a new save against one such effect that allows a save, or attempt to Escape from one effect as a free action. Whether or not it needed to escape, the ally can then Step as a free action if it's able to move.

Let us set the scene:

A Liberation Champion and a Fighter encounter a Giant Flytrap (Monster Core, Pg. 154) and all three are in the Champion's aura. The Fighter goes first and Strikes the Giant Flytrap with her greatsword, the Giant Flytrap in return uses its reaction:

Quick Capture [reaction] Trigger A creature hits or touches the flytrap Effect The flytrap makes a leaf Strike against the triggering creature. If it hits, the creature is grabbed in that leaf.

Lets say the leaf Strike hits and the Fighter becomes Grabbed by the Giant Flytrap.

Now as his reaction the Champion uses Liberating Step on the Fighter and here is where my question comes in.

If the Champion used his Liberating Step in response to the leaf Strike does the Fighter get both the resistance and a free action Escape attempt or just the resistance?

And if the Champion used Liberating Step in response to the Grab does the Fighter only get the free action Escape attempt or would she get resistance as well?

How is this handled RAW per the published rules?

Maybe I'm thinking to deep into this and it just boils down to what a player and GM decide is both fun for the player and the GM will allow at his or her table.

I can see that but an Apocolypse Rider wants to destroy everything, Nature included. Wouldn't it be against Nature's interest to grant power to someone who wants to destroy it?

How in th nine circles of hell and Asmodeus's shining a$$ key is a druid an Apocolypse Rider? Like how does that make any lore sense?!!!

So I have just started Triumph of the Tusk and my GM (who is awesome by the way) has allowed me to play this and we have had one combat so far.

We are level 3.

I play with a scimitar and a bladed gauntlet.

During combat my first turn was getting into position to flank with our barbarian and do a Strike. Second turn was casting Bane and Shield because I got flanked. Both enemies in the Bane failed their saves so -1 to attacks which saved me from getting crit. The rest of the combat was sustain Bane to make it bigger and catch more enemies in it, make Strikes, and using Shield when I thought it was needed.

So the basic loop was to Strike, Sustain, Flank, Shield, Strike, Repeat.

I found it fun and simple, also it was funny as s*!$ to see a forty foot aura on screen LMAO!!!

I understand this is not everyone's cup of tea and it could have been done better.

Thank you everyone for your replies to my post, it has definitely given me a lot to think about.

I did see mention that Ancestors Curse will KILL you, could someone please explain the math on that one?

So I have only read both the original Oracle as it appeared in the Advanced Players Guide and the Remastered Oracle in Player Core 2.

Could someone who has played the original Oracle chime in and give their personal thoughts on what they believe the Oracle lost/gained in the transition to the Remaster?

I read a few threads on Reddit about this topic and turned out to be a big mistake as it always devolved into fighting.

Player Core 2, Pages 91 & 92

So I have made a post about this before but with the slight word changes in the Remaster I once again call it into question.

In the description of Destructive Vengeance it says:

".....You increase the amount of damage you take by 1d6, and you deal 1d6 spirit damage to the triggering enemy......"

For this portion my question is: do you role just 1d6 and use that result for both instances of damage or do you role a separate 1d6 for each instance of damage?

Relentless Reaction (9th Level)
"An enemy damaged by the initial reaction's damage also takes persistent spirit damage equal to your Charisma modifier. (This applies only to the damage the reaction itself deals, not the damage you deal with subsequent Strikes.)"

I put this in to be thorough.

Exalted Reaction (11th Level)
"Each enemy in your champion's aura other than the triggering creature takes half the damage you deal to the triggering enemy"

My question for this is: Would creatures in the champion's aura that are damaged by the Exalted Reaction also take persistent spirit damage from the Relentless Reaction?

If you do decide to help me could you please explain why you would rule one way or another and how you interpret the way the abilities are written to come to your conclusions?

Follow up if you don't mind, for Destructive Vengeance do you role the d6's once or twice?

Bloodshed begets bloodshed as you drag your enemy toward oblivion. You increase the amount of damage you take by 1d6, and you deal 1d6 damage to the triggering enemy, choosing spirit or void damage to deal to the enemy each time you use this reaction. In addition, until the end of your next turn, your Strikes against the triggering creature deal 2 extra damage of the type you chose.

I have ruled only once in my game.

Thoughts?

So I have a player who is playing a level 11 Antipaladin of Gorum and she is loving it but I have come across a ruling that I need a second opinion on. Her divine smite states that a creature damaged by her Destructive Vengeance reaction takes persistant spirit or void damage equal to her charisma modifer her choice, simple enough but its her exalt that is tripping me up. It states:

When you use Destructive Vengeance, each enemy within 15 feet of you other than the triggering creature takes half the damage you deal to the triggering enemy, of the same damage type you chose.

So does this mean that all creatures that took damage also take the persistant damage from the divine smite?

I have currently ruled they do and she lives to be surrounded so she can mini nuke everything in 15ft.

Was curious as to how to properly read the rule as well.