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I use to like playing clerics in PF1, however this revision I not interested in the class anymore. Plus what I have seen in Pathfinder Society in my area, most people do not like playing a healer type. The class needs the plus 3 for channeling or there might be more TPK and players might get frustrated and quite. Even at this year's reapercon there was a 2nd edition playtest and most people were not interested in playing the cleric even at PAX 2018 no one wanted to play the cleric in the PF1 system.. I think it has to do with the heal-bot theme. The cleric needs some better offensive spells and keep the channeling with the plus 3 per day.
Good point: have medium and heavy armor have damage reduction to certain type of damages deal to it.
Yes I think a lot of the weapons have been nerfed! Especially the maces, give them back their damage ability. The mace (or heavy mace) 1d8 damage and the light mace 1d6 damage and light maces can be similar to the light hammer and the mace is like the warhammer but the maces are easier to use. There is to many 1d4 type of damages in the simple weapon group, SERIOUSLY! I like playing a cleric with a nice heavy hit blunt weapon to knock some sense into the bad guys.
It is a valid complain that with all that Paizo has published in the 10 or so years that it has been around and has access to is that all we are given is what is in the playtest book. I use to play a cleric=rogue with TWF style with maces. Can't do it now, however I can in 5E with neither = or =.
Good points! The more I read over the play test the more it feels like 4th D&D. Ran a short game with some players and they seem more interested in staying with 5th D&D or Pathfinder 1E.
I like how they simplify the skills not as many, however I feel that some classes still need to have at less 4 skills and should not have a big different in the bonus points on most of them. Like Witch Of Miracles said, if the party has trained with party's rogue in stealth they should have a higher bonus in sneaking into the dungeon maybe like +17 plus any minus to certain armor. Also I feel the most of the Occultism skill could be placed in both Arcana and Religion skills. The bard class should have stay with its special arcane spells
I think the resonance points should use the same method as in Starfinder's Resolve points by class type or use the Constitution. Using a lot of magical items affecting the health of the character's body, plus a good constitution mean resistance of the physical stress on the body.
Excellent review!
Especially for some simple weapons. Why is the light mace a 1d4 and finesse and the heavy mace a 1d6? Really the light mace (1d6 and agile) should be similar to the light hammer and the heavy mace or mace (1d8) similar to the warhammer. Laws of physic similar (mostly) weighted end of a shaft mostly equal same amount of force. Also the light flail should have stayed a 1d8. I like some of the weapon traits like the Versatile for the sword, however the others give too much clutter to remember. With deadly and fatal adding another number die, why not just X3 or X4 the weapon damage on critical hits. Make it simple. Plus I feel that there are to many 1d4 damage on simple weapons and most of the knives group. Truthfully the blades on a katar are larger than most daggers and uses a punching motion to strike a target.
They should give out more ancestry feats at 1st level (2 to 3) and maybe 3 to 4 for humans. Especially the one that are more biological. Such as dwarf resistance to poison, etc. Or maybe do something back in the 2E AD&D Powers And Skills: Each race and class had a number of set point to buy racial or class abilities. Back then I played a cleric elf that was using two maces and very resistance to negative energy and undead affects. I used my point to get these and other unique abilities and forfeited using points in elf weapons, using a shield, medium and heavy armor.
Bummer on maces. Noticed that some of the weapons have been nerfed, like the the maces. Going the way of a 5th edition game. I remember on a YouTube podcast that the bad guy used a magical +1 heavy mace that did 2d8 damage, now the maces are 1d6 for heavy and 1d4 for light. I think some of the damage on simple weapon are to low, a D4 dice rolls pretty crappy most of the time.
Will be starting this campaign in the near future, and plan on playing a cleric. However, I am sure if I want to add an inquisitor or a rogue to the cleric class. I am leaning toward the inquisitor with the new trapfinder trait. It is a 25 points, thinking of being a half-elf, most player are Lawful Evil, one player is a cleric-deathmage, and the other is planning to be some type of tank class. Any information will be most helpful. Thanks, Ximmrik
To me they should learn from their mistakes. One of all if there was a rogue in the party, why wasn't that person up front checking for traps! The wizard most likely should be in the middle or at the end of the group. Next did they read about all the classes or are they the type that thinks clerics are useful for only healing. With the channelling energy abilities,clerics (thanks Pathfinder)are more useful now. They can be a backup fighter type and can use other spells to help the party. At higher levels they get some AOE spells. Playing a cleric isn't easy, but the long run (with patient) they useful in any party. Lately in our group we usually have 2 types of healers, with only 3 or 4 players, and we usually can out last most encounters the GM has us come up against. Back in 3.5 editions most people did not want to play cleric, for most of the time their character would just be healing and nothing else.
You warn them it was not going to be easy, and in real life if you do not have a medic skills in adventuring the unknown, war, etc. You are SOL. If they are new to the system, I would think they are use to computer game type adventures.
Like to see something like Star Trek and Star Wars with the use of Psionic. I have noticed that alot of GM do not like psionic in fantasy campaigns. Most seem it is for SCI-FI, which I would like to try in SCI-FI campaign. Star Wars had the Force (limit power and most were dark-side), and others sytems I had played or seen used fantasy magic (Modern D20). Which I lost interested in playing. Also have armor as normal or damage reduction. Have some melee weapons that are laser builded (light saber). Have feats to use some melee weapons to deflect laser, bullets, etc. Like the Jedi did in both D20 Stars Wars editions. Predator and Alien creature types might be interesting. Most of all have the character hit points system, especially at the beginning somewhat survive a laser gun, normal gun, laser melee weapon, etc. Unlike in Star Wars (especailly in the 1st D20 edition).
So are you all planning to set up a dinosaur games or campaign use pathfinder rules? My son is interested inplaying Pathfinder rpg, but he is interested in more dinosaur themes.
I forwarded the docs to everyone that has asked for them Kirth, no need to trouble yourself. :) Hey TriOmegaZero or Kirth, I was wondering if I could get a copy of your rules, feats,classes, etc. I try to download the ones at the beginning of this thread, but no luck. Thanks, Ximmrik Here is my e-mail: ximmrik@yahoo.com
How about starting out as a 1st level rogue, and then have your character having a vision or calling of a deity with the luck or trickery domains and becoming a cleric-rogue.
Our group is playing gestalt characters in the Savage Tide adventure. We are currently at 13th level, however one of our player has move out of state. So our GM said that I (other 2 player don't want too)can generate another gestalt.We currently have dwarven barbaric-hexblade (CN), elf cleric-rogue (NG)(me) and a cleric-ranger (archery style) (LG). Both cleric worship the same deity as well. I am stuck between running a dwarven fighter-knight or a dwarven swashbuckler-warlock the swashbuckler will come from the Tome Of Secret book. Since my other character is very stealth and sneaky, I planning on also running the dwarf as being very bold and combat challenging to the party's opponents. Any ideas would be helpful.
Like the rebuilt, the arua would be good opinion rules (hexes) for the witch class (warlock for male witch), and/or the a hexblade class. NICE work!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL AWESOME. Thank you. Ok He just wants to raise the dead then use the positive and Holy "Whatever" to put them In there final resting place.I think every one has answered my questions. But what about say a L/G Kingdom has a law against necromancy of any kind. IF he were to raise dead would he in fact breaking the law? Thanks again! -MRblah Also have the the player role play the character, telling the other character why his or her character uses undead minions (as I mention above with the player in Scarred Lands). The player could substitue all clerical spells that deal acid, cold, fire, lighting, thunder damage into negative energy and take the metamagic feat energy substitution for postive energy. For example make flame strike into necronic strike were an eerie green glow of negative energy strike the area (postive energy: radiant orange light). The player could also dress in gray or black and white clothing (armor). Unique weapons for death are the one handed: khopesh (1d8X2 19-20), kopis (1d6X2 18-20), light flail, heavy flail, scimitar, great scimitar (1d10X2 18-20), great kopis (1D10X218-20), great khopesh (2d6X2 19-20), and kukri.
ALL AWESOME. Thank you. Ok He just wants to raise the dead then use the positive and Holy "Whatever" to put them In there final resting place.I think every one has answered my questions. But what about say a L/G Kingdom has a law against necromancy of any kind. IF he were to raise dead would he in fact breaking the law? Thanks again! -MRblah It depend on how the law is written. The player can put hooded robes over his undead, would aminate skeletons, least likely to have the rotting flesh smell, too hide his minions. The player would have to raise the undead in a concealed area. If the law is written in a way that a person can not kill innocent people and then rise them as undead, controling or summon free will undead the player might get by. If the law is straight up no necromancy he or she is going to have problems and will be breaking the law. The other players might not want to deal with this player in fear out be cast as parnters of an outlaw. Does the kingdom has worshippers of a neutral deity of the dead. I feel the Eyphtians clerics of the dead were from true neutral to law netrual and view death as part of live. Also in the Forgotten Realm campaign, Kelemvar clerics try to comfort the folks who were dying and their relatives. Telling them it was a cycle of life. These cleric also hunted the undead (mostly free willed). Also the player might be interest in using the Death and Repose (In Forgotten Realm book) domains, these 2 might balance out both parts of life and death. The player can be an outsider of the dressed differently from the rest of the people in the kingdom, he or she could dress like a shaman or Eyphtian style. Plus if the player does not follow a deity he or she could use a dark green crystal, a polished sphereical semi precious stone called malachite, or a polished sphereical black and white stone (the cycle of life) for the divine foci.
Good idea, this is somewhat similar to some of the necromances in the old campaign called Scarred Lands (Hollowfaust). The GM allow one player to play a cleric of a LN deity of the dead has a necromancer that could cast aminated undead for skeletons and zombies, but rebuke not control the undead. The player was LN and told the rest of the that the undead he raised were the empty remains of the living that the their souls have gone to the after live realm. This player worded how his character using his abilites that the paladin (but watch him)allow him to raise skeletons(zombies were too gross for her) to help the party. The player fought fire with fire by using his undead minions to fight other undead. The player specialized in hunting down free willed undead. The epic battle of the campaign was to destory a cult of a cleric mummy lord to the demon prince of Orcus. Also I think the 2nd issue of Wayfinder has an article about 2 deities that has duel channel energy.
On the Crystal Keep web-site, there is a feat called Agile Athele from the 3.5 edition (I think) from Swashbuckling Adventure D20 book. Must have 1 rank in climb and 1 rank in jump. You could change the jump for the swim. I believe that Swashbuckling Adventure book is an OGL product.
There is a feat called Extra Finesse from the (7th Sea: Swashbuckling Adventures) that uses the DEX modifier for instead of STR. Can only use it with weapons that use the weapon finesse feat.
That would be great to combine Climb and Jump into the Athletics skill. Also combine Knowledge (nature) with Survival for above ground skill checks, and Knowledge (dungeoneering) and survival for the underdark skill checks. Knowledge (arcana) and spellcraft should be combine, and bring back Concertration. |
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