Thanks for the advice,snakebite brawler looks like a better start than slayer. AVR, been playing 30years now,d,d 2nd ed. Fighter,mage rogue was my favorite class, just seeing if I could get something playable without been useless at all 3. 3,4sneak dice 4th level spells ,good base attack. But bard is not an option, dorkness rising and all that.