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Oh dear do I really come off that badly. You know I never even thought about using magic I just wanted the rich history and dominate female lead race you know leather and a whip, poison from a back-stabby society.

Awesome another code user this is a simple format you only need to use a letter not the whole word just saying it is so nice when people use the features!

Anyway I am old school D&D 80's child I have a great deal of learning if I were to pick up paper Game Mastering in Pathfinder. I had little luck trying to get a 1st edition D&DA game going or find one for that matter.

I do not mean to steamroll the forum with negative statements. I am sorry if I came across that way. I simply point out what I see and the flaws I find. As I said I have a lot to learn.

In the end I just like dark broody characters and, in an age, where you think "you know some people just need killing" an assassin seams way more fun to play. I just wanted a whip some daggers, a blowgun and poison not a super powerful can do everything character. I mean my Drow is 4foot 2 inch's weighs 70 pounds soaking wet.

Not by far a all-powerful god like toon with regenerative healing powers like DeadPool which now that I think about it would be AWESOME!!! But no just a disillusioned trained killer with no friends of family searching for her lover. bluh bluh bluh No worries though Like a wise man says I know nothing and learn from all.

Thank you for you kindness, I will strive to do better in my postings

"a bunch of old tropes in your comfort zone" huh interesting "they don't all align with the base setting of this game." huh "Foundry, Pathbuilder let you homebrew feats, items, backgrounds, and more." I take it those are paid features? "The most successful PF2 AP features evil Drow and flesh warping, but also a neutral Drow settlement you're meant to ally with." I take it you cannot be one of the "Neutral Drows"

No matter I shelved the character as nonplayable or not compatible with the base setting of the game. Like I said I could read up on set history of the lore but I do not want to. It is much easier to just not play and avoid conflict.

I may have brought over things from the other thread thoughts, arguments. But it is not really worth the trouble. if ever I wish to run my Drow it would have to be as a Gamemaster and her a nonplayer character but we both know that is never going to happen so she is just a character sheet on my world wide scrap book much like all my other crafted toons.

I would like to thank you for keeping it civil and I am sorry if I came across badly I have ran in to negative feed back and might be a bit on edge dare I even say a bit pouty over not being allowed my rogue assassin Drow. Once again I am sorry thank you for your advice and time.

I was expecting a Blunt impact damage as it is in the club group but it only lists piercing and slashing. I can only surmise that the Club group You knock the target away from you up to 10 feet (you choose the distance). This is forced movement. The forced movement would only apply to a piercing attack from the blunt impact hence picking the style of attack when making your attack action roll.

Dooo deee dooo I was deeding login in this morning as I expected a great deal of weird feedback posts, But I found you all have very valid points to your perspective.

What is evil, it is a perspective of the one who is in judgment. One never thinks their doing evil because they rationalize then justify it and then the evil, they do in their mind is not doing evil. But they are doing evil in the eyes of others with a different perspective.

I know that sounds crazy right but if a space alien were to judge us humans, they in their perspective might think the whole human race was evil as we kill everything, plants animals everything but on the other hand they may perceive humans as a food source that taste good with baby rays sweet BBQ sauce. I could point out all the of the woes of man to prove the point that all humans are evil. But that would be futile as others will rationalize actions of the evil doers then justify everything and make it less then evil.

Is a race inherently evil, No in my opinion no they are raised to be evil they become evil. Is the Drow inherently evil no I cannot argue Mythology if it keeps changing with every new edition. I do not have the new very expensive books to read so I rely on the enormous amount of information provided by the world wide network.

I could argue the whole multi universe thing but I think debating that the Game it that a game. It is D&DA 3.5 version. Pathfinder was much like the Dragonlance series or the Grayhawk series. The books give you a reference here are some races we pre-crafted and here is a bunch of things to kill and here is a world map we made so you can just plop your campaign anywhere and just play. We even made it easier by giving some brief background history, so you do not get bogged down having to make up an entire world.

So basically, I am game master I want my world to have some of this some of that and oh yea a lot of this other stuff from another RPG. turn on the mixer and let's make some cookies. It is fine if you do not like my world, you have freewill and you can either play or choose not to.

Some people color in coloring books as it is a premade picture to be colored. There are paint by numbers crafts that people paint using all the right colors provided. They are those that draw their own coloring pictures or paint a work of art from a blank canvas. In the end you have freewill you can paint the picture in all the right colors, or you can paint the colors where you think they should go. You could just paint a blank canvas using paint already made.

There are 9 editions of Role-playing games D&D, D&DA 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3.5, Pathfinder 1st, D&DA 4th, 5th, and Pathfinder2e. Those are your paints what you choose to do with those is all up to you. I have the full set of first edition dungeon's and dragons Advanced. I can pull all my books out and play a RPG I will just be using old paint.

Thank you everyone for taking time to read my thoughts and then taking time to comment. I am sorry if this thread got Highjacked. In the end it is up to you and your Game Master what they allow and what you want to make the game entertaining and fun.

I am sorry but changing the rules from 1st edition to 2nd edition should not change the history of the Golarion if it did then playing the game is a huge waste of time.

I posted about the Mythology from resources that clammed it was Pathfinder lore. I have extensively researched the Drow from 18th century when they were called Trow through the D&D lore and the pathfinder.

I never claimed they were all evil I can only speculate that if removed from Rovagug's evil radiation of the Darklands the Drow would return to a less evil alignment. But that is only based on the Pathfinder lore Not the D&D lore.

My Character Xelphen is a Drow with chaotic/neutral alignment. I wanted a Drow character, and I was told I was not allowed because of bluh bluh bluh reasons. In the end I just made a cavern elf with extremely dark black skin with silver hair and red eyes. It is a role playing game there are no set rules. If the Game Master says there is Drow characters, then there are Drow characters in his or her game. In a Role playing Game it is the Game Masters world, and they alone say what is and is not in their crafted world. Some color inside the lines some rewrite the lines and color where they think it should be colored in the colors of their choosing. Arguing about it is futile.

I never stated that the Elves were the only ancestry to stay behind either.

Ok so just a few things Drow are full blooded elves the Drow, or dark elves, are the descendants of the elves who refused to abandon Golarion when it was discovered that the Starstone would hit the world. Unlike their cousins, they did not escape through a dimensional portal, but rather hid themselves in the Darklands below.

Half-drow, sometimes called darkborn by humans or thinblood by drow, are the equivalent of half-elves but derive their elven ancestry from drow. Half-drow are a taboo topic among the drow, and are generally the result of matings between drow matrons (or would-be matrons) and important humans.

Drow are cavern elves Rovagug, the god of destruction who had been imprisoned far below during the Age of Creation. As his wakened mind reached out, it touched the cave where the elves had sequestered themselves, and mixed with the Darklands' strange radiations and the elves' own feelings of betrayal and anger. It transformed them, turning their hair white and skin dark, and replaced the race's natural tendencies towards independence and good with Rovagug's evil; these elves became the first generation of drow. To be a half breed you would have to breed with a nonelven ancestry.... Just saying. =/

What I just found out that is an invaluable tool is the browser speak aloud feature works for the Archives of Nethys site. What was a daunting task of reading a great deal of text turned in to a lovely audio book that I can lesson to as I clean up the crafting post for this toon. I thought I might share that for any who are interested in learning other aspects of the game or refamiliarizing themselves with other data. The reading thing was a deal breaker in the 90's for my dream of becoming a Dungeon master.

Thank you to who ever moved this thread and changed the title your timely aid and patience with my personality and my warped sense of dark humor. aloud me to get the advice I was seeking! The reawakened dream of possibly becoming a Game Master is alive!

Thank you!

No worry on the whole whip thing. I did not expect it to be a special weapon in need of its own training class. I just thought it fit in with the whole dominatrix female lead society assassin intimidation concept. The rule lawyer comment is in a general way about all the people that drag down the fun with rules. With your help I learned a great deal and I am still learning so your help if it is still valuable is of great value to me. If Pathfinder wants to take a known race and change the complete history, then I guess they can though they might have thought to change the dark elves in to Trow or some other name. No matter I was looking in to altering my backstory to fit Pathfinder but there are issues with content between two history's and society's.

If and when I find local people to play with and a Game Master. I can make a more expectable character this is a learning curve character.

I am sorry if I offended you with my careless comment and I am thankful for your help.

I have been researching Drow Society from a number of sources. it is a waste of my time to argue about fictional worlds. In the Dungeons & Dragons campaign setting Lolth based drow society is primarily matriarchal, it also states that "There are exceptions to the rule, of course. Some communities of drow worship other gods (like Vhaeraun or Eilistraee), and thus, their hierarchy changes, reverses the roles of males and females, or (such as in the case of Eilastree) even approaching something like a workable, progressive society. Drow societies can also vary vastly depending on the Dungeons & Dragons campaign setting."

I stated above I am not familiar with Golarion History. what I have read is that the Pathfinder Drow history mirrors the Dungeons & Dragons campaign setting history.

a group of elves fled into the Caves of the Craven below the Calphiak Mountains, Rovagug, the god of destruction who had been imprisoned far below during the Age of Creation. As his wakened mind reached out, it touched the cave where the elves had sequestered themselves, and mixed with the Darklands' strange radiations and the elves' own feelings of betrayal and anger. It transformed them, turning their hair white and skin dark, and replaced the race's natural tendencies towards independence and good with Rovagug's evil; these elves became the first generation of drow.

Given that strange radiation from an evil gods mind is what is making them black and evil I would think they would stop being evil when they get out of the radiated Darklands. bluh bluh bluh the whole radiation thing is kind of lame but what ever it is a nonissue now that we can't play Drows My preference is to have fun and I am having fun making a dominate female character who came from a matriarchal Society.

The game is not going to be fun if there is always going to be a rule lawyer saying "you can't do that because bluh bluh bluh.

I been over playing on Pathbuilder I wish I had earlier as it works great! As I see it from crafting the toon there one skill feat from your background, one Class feats one Ancestry feat and one skill feat at level one. so I went with.
Pickpocket Background
Tumble Behind Class
Elven Weapon Familiarity Ancestry
Intimidating Glare skill feat

The whole Drow thing has been around sense Gary Gygax brought it in to the D&D game. You can play any race if your Game Master lets you In the Army I played a half human half fire giant with a back story and all. Human male fighter gets enslaved by a female Fire Giant he falls in love bluh bluh bluh I think his name was Thrain. But I digress we power played back then murder hobo kill everything kind of play.

This toon is crafted after my NeverWinter toons Xelphen and Theomacha.

Xelphen (female Drow rogue assassin) of house Aleanrahel, daughter of the High Priestess of goddess Araushnee now known as Lolth, the Queen of the Demonweb Pits. Banished from the UnderDark for betrayal to her house for taking a lover Theomacha of house Barrison'del'armgo. Theomacha (female Drow Ranger) of house Barrison'del'armgo assassinated Xelphen's mother the Hish Priestess of the goddess Araushnee and fled the UnderDark to the surface of Faerûn. Xelphen Left the UnderDark and wonders Faerûn looking for her love Theomacha. Raised in the high house of Aleanrahel she is trained as an assassin skill set and training knife fighting, knife throwing, poisons and dark magic. She is the Bringer of death

I play Female Characters The Drow are a Matriarchy a society ruled by females men in Drow society are treated as lesser citizens. They don't own property and they must marry into powerful households to gain power.

I think my build reflex's pretty good given a Chaotic Neutral out cast of noble birth I know my Neverwinter story plot will not work in the Pathfinder canon, but I have zero data to craft a working back story as of yet. I do have a great deal of Knowlege of the Drow from crafting the NeverWinter toons back story. Theomacha is from old forklore of the sever sisters or the seven witchs it is the name taken by one that means Enemy of God. I like tying in real forklore into my toons.

Anyway thank you all for taking time to read and responded to this thread! I am off to research why my numbers do not match between the pathbuilder and my own calculations.

Origin of Drow comes from 18th century Norwegian, Old Norse, Scandinavian, Danish Fairy folklore Mythology, Basically Gary Gygax took Fairy Mythology from 18th century folklore.

The Drow were elves that live in the dark depths of the world. They fled underground to escape a deadly cataclysm and succumbed to the influence of a demon lord. I read some where I can find now that the Rovagug, the Rough Beast turned the elf black.

A person named Josh has a good article https://ashenvault.com/drow-race-pathfinder, you can read up on Gary Gygax adaptation here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drow#:~:text=The%20word%20%22drow%22%20is%20f rom%20the%20Orcadian%20and,refer%20to%20a%20wide%20variety%20of%20evil%20sp rites. and will as a link to the wiki Trow the links at the top of that page.

I do not "really" need a whip nor do I want to heard I just want one to be cool. It was more for a Domina persona you know the mean woman dressed in black leather armor with an Intimidating Glare Xelphens chiseled facial features with a sullen or scowling expression. Jet-Black skin tone, Long silver braided hair, piercing bright red eyes Knives, dagger and whip Demoralize a creature without speaking. I am trained in Intimidation, Deception, Performance I really do not have to even use the whip I just act like I intend to use the whip. I mean I am 4 foot 2 inches I need props, Then there is the whole thought of Indiana Jones and the raiders of the lost ark I mean he didn't "need" to carry a whip but how cool was that? I mean you told me I can't have a whip innless I have Martial Experience then you go and tell me I could pick up something in third level. I just wanted a whip to look cool and to whip people that annoy me or as a tant distraction makeshift rope. I am confused myself does this main a driver of a horse and cart needs Martial Experience to use a whip?

I only get one skill feat from my background, 1 Class feats and 1 Ancestry feat at level 1
Skill Feat
Pickpocket Background
Tumble Behind Class
Elven Weapon Familiarity Ancestry

Intimidating Glare and Alchemical Crafting are General Skill feats so what your telling me at 1st level I should be happy with the three feats I have and just pick up one of those two in my next level.

anyway I am very much enjoying making this character I feel badly for the Game master and other players if I get to actually use this character Chaotic/Neutral rogue assassin would be interesting.

Thank you everyone you all have been a huge help to me if you interested in Drow give Joshs article a read and maybe you'll want to play a Drow Elf to!

Bait? No why would it be bait I was asking things I am currently having issues getting on Archives of Nethys. So rebooted browser cleared the history still no luck I think it has to many users on at once.

Sorry you do not share my love of Drows it's a Horde thing and then playing a rogue drow on neverwinter. I was not aware I could be voted off the forum is that what flag means?

So the so stealth does not count as it is a class standard and that give me 8 so I get one more awesome thank you. I have the link for wander's guide I'll go scout that out right now. Thank you for replying!

what is a 1/10 attempt? should I seek out help on another site to avoid conflict?

First post and I am already getting in trouble dohhh.

You know the guy on youtube made it sound so easy bluh bluh this blah blah that and there is this that does that and then that changes this to that.

So silly me I jump in all excited. I get my list of wants and desires out to start crafting the ultimate Character!

Race Drow because their pimpin! Character name XelPhen Size-4ft. 2in. 70 lbs. Appearance Petit, wiry, athletic, chiseled facial features with a sullen or scowling expression. Jet-Black skin tone, Long silver braided hair, piercing bright red eyes.
Heritage Cavern Elf, Background Hounded Thief, Class Rouge, Archetype Assassin Dedication.

Sounds pretty awesome huh? then the headaches start.

Trained Skills
Trained in Stealth
Trained in one or more skills determined by your rogue's racket.
Trained in a number of additional skills equal to 7 plus your Intelligence modifier.

Does this mean I get stealth plus one rogue racket and then 7 my +1 Intelligence modifier? or 7 total + Intelligence modifier.
1 Twin Feint-Rogue feats
2 Tumble behind-Rogue feats
3 Stealth-Rogue class, Archetype
4 Pickpocket-Hounded thief background
5 Thievery-Hounded thief background
6 Underworld Lore-Hounded thief background
7 Alchemical Crafting-Archetype
8 Deception-Archetype

At this point I was contemplating stabbing a fork in my eye. I do not even know if I am doing this stuff right. I been working on this for some time and I keep editing this https://xxsuperheroxx.freeforums.net/thread/373/pathfinder-2e-character-cre ation-process. don't mind my corner of the world wide web I am the only member it's my web sketch pad of sorts. I thought to link everything as to show where and how to craft a toon. Kind of awesome forums as sketch pads.

do I even get to play a Drow? This stuff is so hard to navigate. dinky dinky do I am soooo screwed. Was I to greedy wanting to craft my Neverwinder toon? anyways been doing a great deal of searching for pathfinder data. Navigating the Archives of Nethys and scratching down links. Do to the drama unfolded at D&DBeyond I think Pathfinders going to explode in popularity. I been scrapping links and stuff together as I find them bluh bluh bluh it would be nice if I could find an auto fill character sheet for the pathfinder e2 that worked...=/

OK back to the grind. trying to figure out calculating saving throws. Thank you for letting me vent a bit new here so forgive me if this post is against terms of service or forum etiquette. I was Banished at D&DBeyond like a great deal of other. I do not want to be banished here as well. =/ zoommm zing zoom pooof.