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Thanks everyone for the assistance and the link, it's been incredibly helpful!

I'm aware it's not a bloodline in and of itself, I was just using the term as a reference to BL choices that result from it. I'm of the mindset that I wouldn't necessarily want the BArc to be allowed to partake in BL choices stemming from an archetype of the Sorcerer, as it would sort of cheapen the Sorcerer in that regard. I just wanted to be certain beyond reasonable doubt because it isn't necessarily clear in the book.

You state it doesn't specifically say you cannot "because it does not need to." Yet it did exactly that when outlining the restrictions for the BL Development exploit for the standard Arcanist. Why list it there and not with the BArc a few pages later? Perhaps simply, "selection follows the same restrictions outlined in the BL Development exploit." Makes me wonder if it was intentionally omitted because the BArc is meant to be a more superior choice over the BL Dev Exploit rather than just allowing access to the Arcana and powers.

While I'm certainly partial to this being legal, I can see both the thematic and power creep concerns regarding the inclusion of selecting two BLs as a BArc through the Sorcerer Crossblood feature. I just wanted a bit more than "it's up to GM discretion." My GM allows it simply because the book doesn't specify you can't, but I don't want to build and invest in a character another GM might not agree with.

What is the AON, so that I might check it out?

Thank you for your time and patience, by the way. Always learning."

I still don't quite understand what restrictions you're referring to, could you clarify? In case it isn't clear, I'm referring to the Blood Arcanist (BArc) Archetype, not a standard Arcanist choosing the BL Development exploit.

There are no required or prerequisite skīlls or spells that a BArc needs in order to select a BL, regardless of whether it's ordinary, hybrid (cross), or mutated (wild blood, not the BRager BLs). Like the Sorcerer, it just tells you to "select a bloodline from those available to through the Sorcerer bloodline class feature." It doesn't list any restrictions.

You suggest that its unnatural or unlawful for a BArc to select a Cross BL since it's an archetype for the Sorcerer. Thematically I agree, but the book doesn't state this. You also mention (and is agreed elsewhere across the web) that selecting a wild blood BL is alright, but it too is a Sorcerer archetype. So what exactly is limiting the BArc to just ordinary or Wild BL choices?

The only thing a Cross type does with BL granted class skīlls, bonus spells, and bonus feat option lists is combine them, but it's irrelevant to the BArc since they don't gain access to them anyway, just like with ordinary or Wild BLs. Like ordinary and Wild, Cross still only offers 5 BL powers. You just get to choose which ones you take. The only significant difference between ordinary, Wild, and Cross is that with Cross you gain both BL Arcana. If this is the restrictive factor, where does it say that?

You stated, 'The Blood Arcanist archetype is merely removing that restriction, which allows you to select a modified bloodline.' So why, then, is Crossblood restricted? If you can select a modified bloodline (Wild), to be sure you can select an unmodified one (Cross). Crossblood doesn’t alter any class features, powers, or Arcana. Wildblood does. Crossblood keeps all the original powers and Arcana unmodified, it just allows you to choose which 5 powers you want from two bloodlines as well as granting you access to both bloodlines' Arcana.

Since you are asking it here, rather in the rules section (more so that I am answering it here), I will offer a reason as to why a Blood Arcanist SHOULD be able to select a bloodline altered by an archetype, specifically the Wildblooded archetype:

Bloodline, Blood Arcanist wrote:

... The blood arcanist does not gain the class skill, bonus feats, or bonus spells from her bloodline.

None, and I stress the word, of the Wildblooded Bloodlines touch on or deal with the class skills, bonus feats, or bonus spells at all.

Crossblooded is a straight out 'No', for the very reasons why Wildblooded should be okay. That archetype manipulates the very things a Blood Arcanist does not get with their archtype.

As to why the restriction is the way it is, it is certainly intentional. Arcanists are a hybrid class of the sorcerer and wizard. Dabbling with bloodlines was seen as an interesting thing for an arcanist to do and spend their pool resource on to empower. If you wanted to really focus on bloodlines at the cost of your exploits, and become a sorcerer with a hybrid type of casting, the Blood Arcanist archetype does that for you.

Just a heads up, the Sage or Empyreal wildblooded bloodlines will create issues as they change the key ability score for a sorcerer. As an Arcanist, your key ability score is (and always will be) Intelligence.

Thank you for your response…

There's a certain combination I'm aiming for and the book doesn't specifically say that it cannot be done, unlike it does in the text for the "Bloodline Development" exploit. It's as much about what it doesn't say as what it does, and it doesn't say that a Blood Arcanist "must select an ordinary bloodline with this ability, not one altered by an archetype" like it does with the Exploit. It's hard to argue that Paizo overlooked adding the same restriction when they added it in 67 pages earlier to something else. Not trying to split hairs, just trying to make sure my point is clear as to why I think it's legal so that proper arguments can be made as to why it isn't.

What I'm aīming for is a Blood Arcanist with a crossblood bloodline of Draconic and Elemental. Pair that with the Gnome Pyromaniac trait, along with the Potent Magic exploit, and it's a pretty powerful combination without having to multiclass with a Sorcerer to get a second Arcana."

Referencing the Arcanist class in the 1st Edition Pathfinder Advanced Class Guide, the "Bloodline Development" exploit specifically states that "the arcanist must select an ordinary bloodline, not one altered by an archetype" (pg 10).

However, that restriction to bloodline choice is NOT included in the description for the "Blood Arcanist" archetype (pg 77). It states "a Blood Arcanist selects one bloodline from those available through the sorcerer bloodline class feature."

Is the exclusion of that restriction an oversight or intentional? Can a Blood Arcanist choose a Crossblood or Wildblood bloodline?"

A wildblooded sorcerer has a mutated bloodline, not a bloodline. Going strictly by RAW a bloodarcanist cannot choose a mutated bloodline.

Also this question has nothing to do with the original post. It would have been better to create a new post instead of adding to this one.

Sorry I’m new, and really wasn’t sure

Referencing the Arcanist class in the 1st Edition Pathfinder Advanced Class Guide, the "Bloodline Development" exploit specifically states that "the arcanist must select an ordinary bloodline, not one altered by an archetype" (pg 10).

However, that restriction to bloodline choice is NOT included in the description for the "Blood Arcanist" archetype (pg 77). It states "a Blood Arcanist selects one bloodline from those available through the sorcerer bloodline class feature."

Is the exclusion of that restriction an oversight or intentional? Can a Blood Arcanist choose a Crossblood or Wildblood bloodline?"