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It seems like more often than not, they'd be closer to allies than rivals, but I do see the chance for butting heads. That's too bad. So besides certain iconics being found in their homeland (given that the iconic character in question has left their home for shame or safety) there's nothing to say for where on Golarion they couldn't wind up?

Oh, I always sort of felt like the having the option to Rage was for fair gameplay, but that if roleplayed correctly, the raging could be portrayed as an involuntary response to certain stimuli.

Are there pre-built adventures where any of the iconic characters are pre-set as cameos/NPCs at all?

Either way, is it generally accepted that they live and are active during the same historical time period of Golarion, even though most do not have dates specific to their personal stories?

I've been trying to get some kind of a catalog for a generally typical campaign setup where the largest number of iconic characters can actually pop in and out, and so far all I can figure is to look into their backstories for where they originate from, and which of them essentially abandoned their homes and have good reason to avoid cause to return, and discover what others may frequent a given region, however very little info of that sort seems to be public. Any assistance with this endeavor?

Hmm, the player hasn't really swayed on the orderly hierarchy or cattle for the dragonlords sides just yet, still picking his brain about what sort of behavior could be expected, but I would have to guess "kill dragonslayers if they cannot be convinced to pick up a different profession" is probably a for-sure, and "steal the shinies" might only be if the character has a draconic patron/superior with specific needs/desires the character aims to fulfill. Otherwise, "keep any shinies fairly acquired for the next true dragon I encounter to barter some form of understanding of non-hostile intentions and respect." is expected.

Also, I know no alignment requirements exist for being a non-caster worshipper, but with the campaign having a religious theme, I would expect the character to be at least EITHER Chaotic OR Evil if they worship Dahak and/or Tiamat.

One other alignment nitpick: for a Bloodrager, who is able to Rage (Blood Rage) without necessarily being Chaotic like a Barbarian, when roleplaying such a character while bloodraging, what can be said of the characters alignment where their actions during bloodrage is concerned? Essentially, what effect do crimes (or general sleights) of passion have on alignment?

Tarik Blackhands wrote:
Depends on how he does it. Exterminating/enslaving all the lesser races puts him well and firmly in the Evil half of the spectrum. Walking around with a sandwich board and proclaiming to kneel before our reptilian overlords is neutral probably, while the Paladin of Apsu who goes around to prove the superiority of dragons by defending those too weak to save themselves and making things better thanks to his draconic patron is a Good person.

Hmm, well the character primarily worships Tiamat through worship of Dahak (worship as proxy, I guess) for the sole purpose of their hand in the beginnings of dragonkind. The character chooses to deem true dragons as the divine beings they began as, and that they ultimately deserve a place at the top, etc so will likely take talking ill of dragons or slaying a dragon as a blasphemy or outright sin, and will take any action necessary to glorify a dragon(s) and/or raise them to a higher status (or convince anyone that they belong in a subservient role to a dragon, or worse)

I don't think they'd steal, murder, etc just because someone's not a dragon, but if there's a bonified dragon slayer running around, probably deserves to get slain him/herself, if a dragon covets your stuff and this character becomes aware, probably getting stolen lol

Yeah, isn't there specifically a comical piece of art of a character (presumably Harsk, iirc) surrounded by crying, baby goblins, with an unamused expression?

Hmm, so what sort of alignment would a Draconic Supremacist presumably have? Lol I was even trying to come to an average based on chromatic dragons, chromatic + metallic dragons, and even all true dragons so far.

Hmm, while I don't wanna completely bring *that* up again, it could be considered that Zamasu has a Lawful lean, as at least his general motivation and guidelines were simply what gods viewed as taboo and what gods accepted (albeit he did not follow his own role in the scheme of things, as he was not the right kind of god to enforce the things he deemed needed enforcing)

However, is there any sort of agreed upon or common enough ideaologies amongst true dragons, or even of one sept of true dragons? There's of course territorialism, rivalry between septs, greed, hunger, and of course just personal conflicts between one dragon and another, not to mention religious/alignment type stuff with Apsu vs Dahak, but there has to be some sort of creed or code that most dragons respect, and attempt to adhere to, right?

No matter if the character's inspiration can be argued as Lawful Evil b/c there is a set of 'laws' in place that said inspiring character was determined to enforce at any means necessary, the actual PC's feelings that "what I'm doing is right, according to ___", where ___ pertains to the authority, superiority, pseudo-divinity, etc of dragonkind, which may not be shared by most dragons.

No, my reason overall was to get some kind of answer about if the character's own inner reasoning gives any weight to the decision of alignment or not, such as the "I stole something to feed my starving child" vs "I stole something because I'm not interested in finding a job" contextual differences.

As for the being light on alignment suggestion, I generally enjoy the discussions and labeling that come with alignment, but interesting point, since another player is essentially unknowingly (as only myself and one other on-off GM-player are even barely familiar with iconics or much lore) making a reverse Valeros, theologically. His character is a Rageborn (Wereboar-kin) Skinwalker Fighter who worships Urgathoa, but mostly as he is smelly, putrid (draws flies) who most likely will indulge in excess eating and vying for nightly pleasures of the flesh, but not embrace her necromantic aspects of her portfolio, thus my recommendation allows freedom to still be N or NG and take up a NE deity as a chosen patron deity.

I am still swayed that Zamasu is Lawful if he's not Good in the slightest (or at the very least, a 4 on the 9-point scale between Law & Chaos and a 7 on the 9-point scale between Good & Evil) but anyway, as for the character, I'm told enough to get the vibe that she does revere divinity and dragonhood about the same, and is an Aasimar thus Celestial in nature, thus the closest I could suggest for him (the player) wanting to be god-like in *some* flavorful way, (heck, even got Zamasu's overall appearance down by being an elf-born aasimar) and choosing the draconic bloodline for his bloodrager, but more relevantly, believes in draconic legend/myth far enough to agree Apsu, Tiamat, Dahak, and by extension, all of their kin have a superior placement in the hierarchy of reality, so her worship of Tiamat (through her worship of Dahak) leads her to (if in-game progression allows him to succeed; I love the concept he/we stumbled on, but not helping him get away with it) go to such lengths as tracking down any form of an Orb of Dragonkind to orchestrate their takeover (perhaps being the first big step towards "The Final Flight") As it stands at the beginnings of the campaign in question, his character will merely behave with an utmost respect of all true dragons, with an underlying bloodrage response to "blaspheming" the beasts she puts her faith in.

Again, I know, I know, general opinion of alignment's mechanical applications is poor to say the least, but as a Bloodrager can be any alignment, isn't it fair to assume any presumptions of a Chaotic lean could be the result of actions taken while bloodraging?

Tons of bloodshed and bedlam? Lol I'm trying to take it as objectively as possible.

Overall, I would like some insight into how alignment is treated in Pathfinder when it comes to a character's actions, and the viewpoints of what that means whether it be the viewpoint of the character, or the viewpoints of onlookers, as far as case-by-case goes, if anyone is plenty familiar with the Dragon Ball Super character Zamasu, that's basically the example that started this topic; a character who for all intents and purposes does *truly* believe in a racial superiority and disposition for justice, partially belongs to that race, but does go to great, sometimes violent lengths when this "justice" is defied or overlooked.

In this particular case, I know a future player who wants to emulate Zamasu's overall M.O. as a character who does what casual society would deem "wrong" to change the world into a proper, "just" one, and honestly full-heartedly believes that the new status quo would be the right one, and that the ends would justify the means. As the campaign he'll be playing in has a very religious bend, I've houseruled for this one that unless your class, feats, etc specifically specify you must be 1 step away from your deity's alignment, then instead, you must have an identical alignment with your deity *on one axis* and the other axis may be whichever. This player will emulate the inspiration, but substituting "gods are holy, righteous, and superior to the hubris-bearing mortals who.must be eliminated for the world to return to its previous beauty". out for "dragons are the superior lifeform throughout the multiverse, they should reign supreme, as they are the descendants of the first gods, and it is only right that dragonkind be nearly all that remains on Golarion." and may stick up for a dragon (or dragon-blooded creature) before someone else, and will put a plan into motion to set dragonkind on the path to having it all.

So in this case, is this character Lawful Good like they probably think, Chaotic Good as clearly there is no real precedent for draconic rulership over sentient races but they believe it to be "Good" still, Lawful Evil as steps in their plan may be heinous to a non-dragon, or even good-aligned dragons but draconic behavior is being followed overall, or do they count as Chaotic Evil because in reality, they're simply extremely delusional?

Fortress of the Stone Giants.

"In the beginning flowed the two waters, the fresh and the salt. These waters were the first gods, one male, one female, who respectively embodied the forces of Law and the forces of Chaos. Although opposites, the two waters lived in relative harmony, and from their union came the lesser gods."

Beyond GM creativity, Tiamat is absolutely Chaotic by default, however, the only thing pegging her as Evil (debatably) is the fact that Apsu and Tiamat were opposites, and Apsu maybe was but definitely is Lawful Good, so it could have just meant Law vs Chaos opposites, but the metallic dragons who accepted Tiamat's offer became chromatic and cruel and such, particularly Evil with a capital E. Doesn't say that Tiamat was certainly Evil, just accepting Tiamat's offer/deal made them Evil.

Since Dahak is canonically living in Hell as a CE dragon deity, then I feel like the Maelstrom is a good fit for Tiamat whether she's CE, CN, or even CG if she were, though I doubt she's CG...

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"Thereafter, Apsu returned to his mate, ready to demand why she had aided their treacherous son. Yet, instead of the formless salt sea, he found an angry being in a monstrous dragon form, many-faced and writhing with the countenances of seemingly all she had created." Yes, overlooking GM freedom when the time comes to play, this more than suggests that her default form possessed chromatic dragon heads at worst, and chromatic + metallic dragon heads at best.

Hmm, the Maelstrom does seem like a believable location for her rather than the Abyss (it's not like Dahak lives in the Abyss either) and details pertaining to her slumbering for eons or something feel right for her to exist, but also play a part only when GM approves lol

Kind of a side quest(ion): What's the story on the other dragon septs?

I'm partial to doing things with more info than less before I do free-form. I'm aware of all this (though Tiamat as a character clearly needs mentioning in every Dragon Deity origin story, so it's not fair to say she's written out, but I'm well aware she's not getting any new content) as for the description, sources do still leave PF Tiamat with multiple heads, but that's it, the "whatever I want" part is me identifying Tiamat with somehow more than the 5 chromatic dragon heads. I suppose and the concept of domains and such if you wanted her to be worshippable in your own games.

Thing I'm trying to break down is her *likely* location in the multiverse, even if there isn't a confirmed plane/demiplane/planet for her to reside...

Oh, right, but as that lore is still available and unaltered in multiple sources, I'm just seeking the most logical conclusion at the end of what is Paizo's analogue to Tiamat. For example, as Tiamat birthed the first metallic dragons (before they were dragons) and made the chromatic dragons from (a lot of) the fallen, and Tiamat's only physical description that's intact is "multiple heads" - so for me, I've been convinced if not 5-chromatic heads, the imagery I get is either a set of 10 black, blue, brass, bronze, copper, gold, green, red, silver, and white dragon heads, or 5 black, blue, green, red, and white dragon heads that regrow as brass, bronze, copper, gold, and silver heads in some sort of sequence similar to a Hydra. Or honestly, as a deity, it's up to her to manifest an avatar with 5 chromatic heads, or one with 5 metallic heads, or one with 5... idk, imperial heads? (Ok, on that last one, I don't even know how any septs beyond chromatic and metallic co-exist with the draconic legends of Apsu, Dahak, & Tiamat, but still)

As a non-entity deity, seems like she matches up with Dahak alright, beside his specific attitude and urge to destroy... if she *were* a deity who garnered worship, she might keep all Dahak's domains maybe only swapping out Destruction for... Protection maybe, as she did protect Dahak from Apsu out of some sort of motherly instinct, also, I don't imagine she has anything against Metallic Dragons, as she and Apsu made them together.

My main interests about Tiamat is what slightly less vague condition she's in as far as What, Where, When, & Why, if it's true Dahak's CE alignment has nothing to do with his choice in home-realms, and he has an earea in Hell to call his own via a deal, I could see Tiamat having done something similar, but as she's removed from plot, presumably something done quite early after the first battle between Apsu & Dahak, so as to keep an eye out for Dahak & Apsu while being out of the picture presumably so Apsu doesn't shame her further and so as not to lead Apsu to Dahak.

Please do disregard that I completely botched the reply, but I am curioud of the source.

Zhangar wrote:

Necroing 9) As a goofy thing - Dahak, the chaotic evil dragon god of destruction, was ceded a divine realm by Mephistopheles in the 8th layer of Hell. Dahak in return crafted the artifact quill that Mephistopheles writes its contracts with.

Dahak roamed the "primeval" Hell for a time; I don't know if that means Dahak had been to Hell before Asmodeus ever ruled it. Regardless, Dahak, despite being chaotic evil, gets along well with Asmodeus and Mephistopheles, and has devil servitors.


What is the source of *this* information? Especially the part about Dahak & Mephistopheles and the quill and Dahak's bargained "divine domain".

Plausible Pseudonym wrote:
Werefoowolf wrote:

So Dahak did make his home in Hell long, long ago, but nothing is said about him currently, and his alignment is CE, if his mother's is too, there's no telling, as an Archdevil has a domain in each of the layers of Hell.
Dahak is mentioned in Inner Sea Faiths has inhabiting a sort of splintered off demiplane attached to the 8th level of Hell. This sort of extra side layer isn't unprecedented, the Queens of the Night (nee Whore Queens) have similar domains.

I feel like this might be asking too much, but could you quote the "Dahak, demiplane" bit from ISF? I can't find a preview on it of that information, and I'd get it myself but my hands are a little tied financially atm =/

If not, I may see if I can get a look at the relevant pages next time I'm able to browse at a book store.

Perhaps in a campaign that provided that information as prologue, otherwise, she represents Chaos, and the Metallic Dragons that accepted Tiamat's offer to help Dahak became Evil with a capital E.

Dahak's favored weapon is a "Bite or whip"

So Dahak did make his home in Hell long, long ago, but nothing is said about him currently, and his alignment is CE, if his mother's is too, there's no telling, as an Archdevil has a domain in each of the layers of Hell.

So I have stumbled upon a couple of threads discussing Tiamat, and IIRC, a few comments were from actual developers working with Paizo who clearly were an important part of the decision process on how to portray Tiamat in Pathfinder. While it's clear she isn't worshipped in ANY traditional sense (even by dragons it seems) it's easy to assume it's best to just worship her through Dahak (as they share an alignment and it's not a stretch to say they likely share favored weapons, sacred colors, domains, subdomains, etc) but on one hand, I recall said Paizo affiliates claiming they did mostly imagine Tiamat's design to resemble the many-chromatic-headed design from D&D, and her lair would again reside in a circle of Hell..... but her former identity as the "salt water" representing chaos cemented her as the Chaotic Evil counterpart to Apsu's Lawful Good.

With this said, wouldn't her lair exist in the Abyss? Or is Golarion so "far from Tiamat's sight", she resides somewhere else? For that matter, Dahak is also Chaotic Evil, but lore suggests Dahak made Hell to his liking, thus making it his home... or do these assumptions overlook that Dahak (and thus Tiamat) both have made their home (s) far from Golarion or the Outer Planes? This is really bothersome confusion lol Any good answers would be sweet lol

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A discussion I hope will give me a little confidence in an idea I want to run with in a future campaign to GM. Making a semi-original setting split up into tales or stories with strong inspiration from fairy tales, and while I'm not intending to base it off Disney (or in some cases use anything exactly)I feel using Greek gods & goddesses works better for deities than Golarion's, and a handful of tales from Greek myth see themselves in the same pile as so-called "fairy tales", so I feel it's justified.

What I want to see a bit of evidence of a likely successful use of this, I'm currently considering what fairy tale characters would pray and pay lip service at least to certain Greek deities, and see if enough examples exist that it has merit.

So far, for myself, examples I could come up with for named characters and their potential greek religion, I've got:

Geppetto: Hephaestus?
Cinderella: Hestia
Aladdin: Hermes? (Patron god of thieves)
Snow White: Aphrodite (or blessed with beauty w/o her knowing)
Evil Queen: Hecate
The Huntsman: Artemis
The Pied Piper: Apollo (music)
Rapunzel's Witch & Captor: Demeter?

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Question no one's asked: How do these differences work with the backwards compatibility with Pathfinder?

Heck, still on topic I suppose, the APG doesn't do its best to explain the fluff/flavor/lore on Oracle curses, if the nature of being an oracle comes from divine beings (in most cases) why are the "vessels for their power" cursed, and what's the fluff behind one oracle having a specific different curse than another oracle?

Yeah, that's the reason I asked in such a way, cuz specifically with Oracle Curses (I'm sure there are other examples) after Albatoonoe answered about Horror Realms curses, I knew for certain some were missing, and thus d20 is not as reliable as I thought. (Not a huge fan of 3rd party content, only really when I'm trying to homebrew and my objective is quite close to what a 3rd party source has generated) not to.mention I haven't a clue how quickly content is added to d20.

Is there an official (or fan-made) catalog of "this feature is found in ___ source"? Like, for someone looking only for new bloodlines, oracle curses, ___ class archetypes, etc but who doesn't religiously check on every campaign setting, player companion, etc due to lack of expectation? I feel that would be helpful, since I'm aware it's kind of crossing the line to ask "hey, tell me the specifics about X, Y, and Z from a specific resource book", as it's cheating unless you come by the content legally, so I'd like a method to preemptively be made aware of desirable content in certain resource books, so I don't overlook anything juicy.

I certainly overlooked Horror Realms due to thinking it was merely filled with *atmosphere* for a horror campaign, that I had it all in Horror Adventures, and I've seen posts where ppl skimmed Horror Realms and mistook the Oracle Curses for a rehashing of the basic afflictions from Horror Adventures because they greatly resembled the afflictions

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I'm a little disappointed at the lack of official Oracle Curses in the game. I see there's the typical blind, deaf, rotting, and a few coming from specific player companions, but hoping for more options.

Wondering what the most recent curse from a player companion or other source may have been, and if there is teasing/expectations for a new one (s) from an upcoming source I'm unaware of.

archmagi1 wrote:
Perhaps there is some first world power that abducts children of all races and they become ageless fey thereafter. The clauses just tend to like ageless elven child slaves more than boring humans or dwarves. Maybe gnomes who've not yet crossed into the material spend time trying to free these "kids" so they can turn them back to humanoids.

OHHH, that's not a bad take on it. Nice. How do Fey *commonly* transport from the First World to the Material Plane?

Perhaps what would be suitable is a homebrewed listing of a unique species of Fey creatures that have varying subspecies (kinda like the Wild Hunts) where each one is Type:Fey;Subtype:(insert humanoid racial subtype here) with the condition of being Small (or at least one size category smaller) compared to the true humanoid race. Some sort of infiltrating race of Fey that adopt the identity of said race, so in this case there could be Fey that are Elves for all intents and purposes but are Small instead of Medium. (Versions of other races aren't necessary, but I feel if it were a canon creature found in a Bestiary, there would be more than one entry, similar to Dragons. Can't atm see a purpose for Small Fey Dwarves or Small Fey Orcs for example.

Oh, hope there's no misunderstanding, I love how Elves are in PF, just trying to see how connected they might BE to fey, and why/why not. (Hope there are elves in Starfinder)

Are there Fey that are especially talented at taking the form of humanoids for long periods of time?

But just like they didn't stat up a unique creature to be the Krampus in all but name, I think dropping the label of "elf" doesn't do it justice. I think it better for them to perhaps be an even more dwindling division of elves OR at least a fey race that has become synonymous with elves (even if incorrectly so) in-story. Technically it seems Gnomes fit the bill better as is, as they are actually (or at least supposedly) descended from fey, but IIRC have a tinker-y racial trait available to them. However, they have no reason to be known as "elves". If they shouldn't be elves, then a similar misunderstanding should happen between elves & gnomes in a given story they are set to appear.

Reasonable explanations, though then I wonder how to balance the connection to PF-canon Krampus (Fey Portal) with being known as an elf of some kind. Perhaps a lifetime of being well-known as a *honorary* elf and/or being elf-blooded. Also the idea of Santa's elf workers; simple homebrew of a subrace of Elves with the Small size category, or group of Gnomes who are *somehow* canonically misidentified as Elves?

So from what I can gather, PF elves are not considered Fey like I believe they are in DnD, why is that in general? Why do they have "Fey Magic" as a racial trait?

(Primary reason to ask involves intertwining homebrewed Saint Nick with Bestiary 6's Krampus origin story, but curiosity and clarity are reasons enough)

With the Krampus backstory, Santa could be either summoned through an untainted portal to the First World (thus Fey) or a Material Plane Human with Human Heritage (Elf) for Elven racial feats (or perhaps some other method of having elf racial traits) or a Round Ears Half-Elf who is only semi-aware of his elven blood (somehow a being that aesthetically is Human but qualifies as a "jolly old elf" by word of mouth) perhaps destined to either fulfill the original purpose of the Krampus, (if a unique humanoid brought through an untainted portal) or to follow in the footsteps of the druids whom had summoned Krampus (if some sort of Mythic mortal human/half-elf who made it his duty to combat the Krampus and keep the winter festivities festive and promote Good)

20th+ level character: Arctic Druid+Pack Druid 18 (8-9 Elk) (18th for Timeless Body) Roofrunner Rogue 1 and rest of levels into Cleric (domain undecided)

Question is, is he a Human, a round-ears Half-Elf, a Human with Human Heritage feat (Elf) or human with Fey Creature template?

And is he Old or Venerable prior to Timeless Body?

Is that an official source, or is that just universally used by majority of players?

So I know if, let's say you had a... dwarf, who was a 3rd level Fighter and.. 4th level Bard, it's notated as "Dwarf Fighter 3 Bard 4" (IIRC) but what if the dwarf is say... Gladiator archetype for Fighter, and... Diva archetype for Bard. How do you notate the classes + archetypes?

Sooo... Lamashtu *shouldn't* be interpreted like this?

Right, just making sure religious folk are correct to believe Lamashtu is the goddess of childbirth, not ONLY the goddess of messy birth.

Certainly, he'd be venerating probably a fair number of deities and demon lords who relish murder, but he *could* think "I'm sending souls to her, and having fun at the same time." hence the confusion about where gods do and do not draw lines.

Okay, it's easier to absorb the info when you put it that way.

It's just not always that easy to cherry-pick ways to experience a god's way, for example a homocidal killer who worships Pharama but kills purely for the thrill (it could happen, but he/she would be misguided and proper Pharasmins would make it known, I believe) so I wanted to be sure if cherry-picking with Lamashtu would fit alright.

Any other depraved deities whose worshippers are encouraged to practice subtler aspects of the god's portfolios? Better not to waste the thread if the subject matter has more to delve into.

Oh ok, drawing the line just short of "children must exhibit deformities" is fine for a casual worshipper of Lamashtu?

I'm curious what can be reasonably nitpicked out of all of what Lamashtu stands for (and/or is worshipped for) while still being faithful... in this case, settling for a large family of not-really-monsters but merely defined as monsters to the general public of the region and doing nothing to mutilate or twist the children into more grotesque or 'ugly'.

Already had a NPC(s) in the works who once was an adventure and travelled a lot and as a step towards Lamashtu's title of "Mother of Monsters", went through pregnancy after pregnancy with a number of different evilly racial fathers (vampire, werewolf, drow, etc) and eventually moved her growing family to her home nation of Ustalav, but kept them out of the public's eyes. It's said Lamashtu is NOT a fan of "typical beauty" and values deformity and such.

Is faith in Lamashtu, frequent pregnancy & childbirth, and remotely monstrous offspring, albeit with common physical appearances for their races enough to justify such a character?

Keskodai. Pharasmin Mystic ftw

The answer would be clearer if this particular combination were able to be accomplished using RAW, but I'm willing enough to bypass the one obstacle.... I just am not sure which way to do it.

So the Foo Creature template says only add it to an animal.
A werewolf is a humanoid, not an animal.

The Lycanthrope template says add it to a humanoid, and use "base animal."

Foo Creature template changes the animal to an Outsider (Good). Outsider (Good) is not Animal.

So, should I take a Wolf and add Foo Creature template, then use Foo Wolf as base creature for Lycanthrope template on a humnoid, or should I take a humanoid and add Lycanthrope > Foo Creature?

Is there a difference?

So I've tried for quite a while to craft some sort of mana/color system to tie terrain to mana and to caster characters and the matching colors as well, but haven't had any luck. While I'm beginning to accept that druids cast druid spells, not green spells, and warlocks cast warlock spells, not black spells, etc but I am really stubborn and don't want to completely let the flavor distinction to fall to the waist-side.

Does anyone have any stories (actual or hypothetical) about how they did or would DM and keep it in the storytelling?

I imagine not every MTG savvy player will know to do things like go and decide on a color for their character to adhere to and avoid learning or preparing spells uncharacteristic of their character's chosen color, (at least until developing their character to grow into a 2nd color) or to match colors with races or anything like that, and that's saying nothing about whether they would be able to identify what spells fall into what color categories. Plus, there could very well be non-MTG players who might play and understand little to nothing.

All I can manage to consider is just "as you begin to cast your spell, you feel your connection to the islands/coasts you've encountered in the past, and your body glows with a blue light... okay, you cast the illusion spell. Don't go casting fire spells now, they're Red. You're a Blue Mage."

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What is a saint in PF as opposed to a priest? I know via reading story that "priest/priestess" most often refers to a cleric through-and-through.

Cuz St. Nick is a "patron saint of... a lot of things actually.

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I looked a little deeper. Shelyn's Crystalhue feels very Christmasy, what with it being celebrated during the winter solstice and there being gift-giving and making amends with people you may have wronged throughout the year.

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So, an illustration for Paizo's Pathfinder Society Scenario #8-06: Reaping What We Sow (a trio of jack-o-lanterns, 1 of which depicted the holy symbol of Shelyn, and another depicted the holy symbol of Lamashtu) got me thinking: What other deities (gods, demigods, w/e) might match up well to better known thematic holidays?

Lamashtu was chosen for Halloween presumably due to her being the "Mother of Monsters" (ya need monsters for Halloween) and Lamashan being the Golarion equivalent of October.

Looking into the breakdown for the scenario, apparently the scenario contains a Shelynite pumpkin-carving festival... Is that a thing? I'm unaware if that has relevance with Shelyn or not.

Kuthona is the Golarion-equivalent of December, but I don't believe matches well with Christmas. Is there a Good deity I'm not thinking of off the top of my head who concerns him/herself with gift-giving, or tree-decoration, or anything of that sort?

On top of that, I could see a Santa Claus analog since Bestiary 6 will contain the Krampus. Perhaps Santa would be a follower of either Alseta or Yuelral?

Pickpocket's Outfit could disguise ears/horns/tail? Considering the name, it's probably meant to function the way it sounds like it does.

The starting party is a Skinwalker (but default form is merely a more muscly female) a Catfolk, a Ratfolk wizard necromancer, a Jiang-shi-born Dhampir (besides paler skin, I don't think any obvious visual tells) and a very obvious Tiefling (red skin, horns, a holy mark of Asmodeus on his FOREHEAD) and the player playing the tiefling plans his backup character (a Kuru) to be a Cleric, but disguise/bluff that he's a cleric of Pharasma and assassinate his former character and make a meal of his remains as a typical person might eat venison from a deer he/she'd killed...

The Skinwalker CAN avoid going bestial and rely on bluff jic, the Catfolk needs to hide head, fur, claws, and tail, the dhampir need avoid the sun & positive energy and disguise/bluff to keep the chance of suspicion low, the Kuru needs to keep his teeth under wraps and maybe bluff away his tattoos if not covered, and the tiefling.... all of his skin, + horns and I THINK he has a tail.

Of course I'm considering starting the campaign in Ardis, while the settlement's stats prove its population is mostly just as xenophobic, a lot of the neighborhoods are scarcely populated and a lot of the abandoned buildings are already chock-full of ne'er-do-wells of all kinds, and there is a lot of abandoned real estate. Perhaps they have an easier time getting acclimated to the xenophobia and preparing to conceal what they can about themselves (and/or to thwart whatever mild-to-severe consequences they may face later on) Perhaps they meet with some of their own kind (non-humans and human outcasts) and come to some sort of Underground Railroad-esque alliance.

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