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Ok. I'm going to stat out Ghost Karzoug now. Brb.

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Hey James! Thanks for the earlier reply. A few more questions. Also, apologies for the confusion about your part in Strange Aeons. I think I just assumed, knowing your love for HPL.

1) What would the Denizens of Leng take as common classes or archetypes? Same with the Moonbeasts?

2) Glad you liked Stranger Things - so did I. I thought the

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Demogorgon was based on the Dimensional Shambler with a few stylistic differences.
. What do you think?

3) Was the Winterwight (B2) inspired by the Others from A Song of Ice and Fire?

4) Do you remember what Lovecraft story pulled you into his literary world the most, or which one you found the most horrifying?

5) If Randolph Carter found his way into a Pathfinder story, what level do you think he'd be by the end of Dream-quest?

6) Have you read the Graveyard Book by Neil Gaiman?

7) Any plans to feature Ithaqua, Y'Golonac, or Mordiggian in PF, or are they legally off limits? Either way, what do you think their CRs would be?

8) How do 'normal' ghouls interact, feel about or view 'Leng' ghouls in the rare instances they show up in Golarion (or vice versa)?

9) This might come up in game for me via Commune, and I'm curious: What is Desnas opinion/story with individual Outer Gods? Azathoth? Nyarlathotep? Yog-Sothoth?

Thanks for taking your time to answer these things, :)

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Hey James! Great, fantastic work on Horror Adventures. Really, really looking forward to running Strange Aeons. It's something I have been waiting for since I began tabletop.

A few questions for you, some of a deep Lovecraft nature:

1) At the end of Rise of the Runelords, if I implement a twist that could see Karzoug shunted fully in to Leng if the PC's destroy his Runewell but not his body, how could you see that working out in future adventures, say Shattered Star or Strange Aeons? If Karzoug was forced to exist primarily in the Dreamlands, what do you think he would go about doing - especially if the PCs figure him for dead?

2) Carrion Crown, chapter 4...

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If the PCs fail to stop the Dark Young at the end of the chpater, or are otherwise forced to retreat from the fight and Shub-Niggurath manifests in Lake Encarthan, what happens exactly? Is this world-ending/changing, or does It cause a bit of destruction, wipe out Illmarsh and then de-manifest?

3) Speaking of Outer Gods:

How would the great evils interact with Outer horrors, and could you give some personal opinion on how you think it would play out if, say,
Something managed to send Treerazer to Leng, or a high level character managed to open a gate to the void at the center of Infinity (Azathoth's 'court') in the bottom of Nessus in Asmodeus' throne room (or inverse, the pinnacle of Heaven)?

Thanks for some insight. Just curious to your personal opinions as if you were playing it out in a game, not necessarily an official canonical response (aside from perhaps question 2).

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Elsa is totally a boreal sorceress.

I had a discussion with some friends of mine (I'm also running RoW, and RotRL, ironically as well) about Elsa's class. I believe Elsa is a perfect Boreal/Ice Sorcerer, but a GOOD example of a Winter Witch is, in Once Upon a Time lore, her auntie Ingrid. Pretty good example of the similarities and differences right there, if you ask me.

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^I tend to agree.

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It matters for the curious and those who would like to know the entire story?

For PCs: Lore? If it all goes to final hell, maybe your last option is to fight fire with fire?

If Rovagug is free'd, you're doomed - but what if in those last few moments, you complete the ritual of the Key and the Gate and tear the door open and just...*interplanetary teleport the hell outta there*?

I think the question if a very interesting one. I don't really like the entire 'what's this monsters power level' argument in practice, but it is cool to think about how these great beings compare to each other, or even view each other - something the developers have been frustratingly vague about.

I would like to know more.

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I second the question about the Dreamlands.

And also, that Compass-headed goddess on the Dreamlands map is reminisce of Lissala, and we all know Thassilon and the Dreamlands had all of the pen-palism going on.

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Azathoth is best used as a pseudo-manifest metaphor for the beginning, end and true nature of an uncaring universe. It is the void itself, the prime source and eventual entropic heat death of all principles, matter, energy and universal laws. Azathoth is a deity in the sense of what a deity would be in an apathetic universe without true gods or purpose.

In a reality like Golarion, Azathoth still retains its throne as probably the most terrible - Azathoth not only represents primal chaos, nuclear entropy and the fundamental (quantum?) churnings and changes of an infinite, cold, empty cosmos - the entire cosmos, regardless of Planes, interstellar boundaries or time.

What I would like to know, in the sense of Golarion, is how true the creators are staying to the ideas behind the Outer Gods?

It appears almost like Deities are more-or-less local, at least on a true cosmic scale, and the outer planes are centered as we know them upon beacons of intelligent life (planets like Golarion) and grow more meaningful and real close to such places (probably due to souls). Perhaps normal deities are limited in range to a galactic or inter-planetary scale, and the further you travel in space, the difference in reality/perception grows more and more alien and different?

Either way, the Outer Gods are in essence cosmic forces that represent the mechanical gestalt of a very intricate and non-human universe whose infinite levels of being manifest infinite sets of laws that only a tiny fraction are perceivable to us. It says a lot about the true importance of the Prime Material Plane, casts doubt on the omnipotence of the anthropomorphic deities of Golarion-like worlds, and makes the terror of the Outer Gods far more palpable in that fear-of-the-unknown and universal apathy way they were made to personify.

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I think invalidating some home games is inescapable. I also believe that many home DMs understand this, and from the opinions I have heard, many would rather see the setting advance and have some mysteries solved (and new mysteries arise in their place) then have the setting rest in limbo just for the benefit of not affecting the stories of home games. I understand that you guys as Developers run along a weird line, but I think posing canon changes are good and there is nothing stopping you from putting in sidebars that state 'these are how we figure it, but it's optional - here are how things could have gone, in summery, if this or that happened differently' and leaving it at that.

I was recently discussing Karzoug not dying in a different thread recently, and personally I would love the idea of the Claimer escaping death just barely and appearing as a recurring villain later on down the line but I am sure that would not be canon. Either way, I am curious on how Golarion will evolve - it is an interesting setting and the built in stories are great enough where they deserve growth.

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A stunning new breakthrough from the best R&D department Geb has to offer!

It begins! Zombie Labor!

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On another note

Hermea to me seemed directly influenced by Aleister Crowley's path of Thelema, and especially of the social experiment he attempted on the Abbey of Thelema on an island off of Italy. That might be a bit obscure, but I still wonder if it was a factor in its imagining.

Inherently, the Abbey was actually a very good project despite the bad image Crowley received in the public. It was not eugenic, but it was designed to allow people to shed the distractions and habits of modern mindsets and focus on their 'True Will', which for a normal person was simply the task and path in life best suited to that individual based upon personality, upbringing, genetics and experience free of morality and restriction.

I would probably run Hermea that way if I used it, at least in part - especially because Crowley would make a great personality blueprint for an ancient Gold dragon... hehe

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He is Golarions version of Ruby Weapon, no?

I read the same thing about him being equated with a Great Old One.

I think it gives them a scale of power worthy of their intent, at least.

Also...

Rovagug = Lavos. JS.

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In some areas, it's more practical and spiffy to warm your village by burning that heathen spellcaster at the stake.

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Snooki is in there then?