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Bumping an old thread here as opposed to starting a new one.

With Crushing Blow it seems there is no Fort Save required.

Crushing blow reads as:

You can make a Stunning Fist attempt as a full-round action. If successful, instead of stunning your target, you reduce the target’s AC by an amount equal to your Wisdom modifier for 1 minute. This penalty does not stack with other penalties applied due to Crushing Blow.

Stunning fist reads as:

You must declare that you are using this feat before you make your attack roll (thus, a failed attack roll ruins the attempt). Stunning Fist forces a foe damaged by your unarmed attack to make a Fortitude saving throw (DC 10 + 1/2 your character level + your Wis modifier), in addition to dealing damage normally...

Stunning fist normally forces a foe to make a save or be stunned. That save or be stunned is replaced with a new ability that reduces AC. That AC reduction has no save included in the wording of it.

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