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In a game I am in the GM ruled that the the phrasing of "can acquire as the arcane bond class feature" in the exploit description (https://aonprd.com/ArcanistExploits.aspx?ID=9) means that the arcanist has the ability now to have a familiar, but that they will need to use the "Replacing a Familiar" rules in order to get it. Which means that my 3rd level character would need to pay 600gp to get their very first raven familiar. This seems incorrect to me, but I would like to hear thoughts?

So you're not going by page 295's text, you're going by page 600's text "You don't need to adjust the Price from a club to a greataxe or the like." I don't think "or the like" means "or any other non-magic base weapon including great big ones"; I think it means "or any other non-magic base weapon from the normal tables, i.e. for a Small/Medium creature." In general PF2 assumes Small/Medium where it doesn't very explicitly say otherwise (like page 295).

This works. I think you have it. It will solve the problem and it's RAW. I am going to go with this unless something more specific is put forward.

I agree that it means that "can use their listed Price regardless of size" only applies to things like the Fighter's Fork, yes. Which means that if a Medium magic composite longbow costs 35gp, then a Gargantuan one costs 35x8=280gp since "multiply the Medium cost by 8 to get Gargantuan cost" is the only rule we're left with for both mundane and magic items.

One might expect the two to have different rules, with the mundane part being multiplied and the magic part not, but such rules don't exist in PF2 AFAIK. You either apply the straight size multiplier to the whole item or you ignore the size multiplier entirely, no other cases.

I don't think a +1 gargantuan shortbow ahould cost like that.

Also a rune of magic is 35 gold. which means you get a gargantuan shortbow worth 160g you can just add the rune to the bow, you don't need a special gargantuan version of the rune. you could even use the rune from a tiny weapon.

Well I think practicality is a factor here. You can drag that massive magical weapon to town and try to sell it but who is it going to be sold back to for profit? Most likely no one that would frequent that place. Magic or not they better off smelting it down and selling it into many smaller weapons that the community would actually use.

Thank you John Templeton for these thoughts. I am however trying to write a tool which will handle this question as RAW. I didn't mention that in the original question though.

CRB page 295, last paragraph wrote:

Higher-level magic items that cost significantly more than 8 times the cost of a mundane item can use their listed Price regardless of size.

Unless there's a similar rule elsewhere w/o the bolded part, the bolded part should suffice to kill your absurdity. Because a normal composite longbow costs 20gp, you'd need to add magic that costs significantly more than 160gp before you can ignore the 'base' 160gp part of the Price.

As I read that it's only refering to things like say The Fighter's Fork 50g that cost a great deal more then a trident 1g X8. So you use the price of the Fighter's Fork no matter What the size. A Gargantuan Fighter's Fork costs the same as a Tiny one. It doesn't solve the Composite Bow issues because the x8 price of a composite bow is exactly the same price as the x8 price of the mundane item. At best is is saying the price for the bow would be the full price 160g even though magic has been added. which while not quite as absurd is still crazy

I am running into a problem.

Magic weapons and armor are a set price. I know they were trying to simplify the pricing which is fine I guess. However...

a dagger is 2 sp. A gargantuan dagger is 2 sp x8 16 sp or 1.6 G
both of them turned a magic item are still 35g.

the difference is not too bad. a little weird, but not too bad

Bastard sword is a little weirder. 4g x8 = 16 gold. Add magic and suddenly 35g
half the price sort of evaporates into the magic.

where it really gets weird is the composite bows
Composite Longbow 20g x8 = 160g

Add magic and it's.... 35g, actually becoming less valuable when the magic is added to it.

I for the life of me can't find any rules to contradict this absurdity. I am hoping I am just missing something. If anyone can help I would appreciate it.

I didn't have enough space when I laid out this. I'm going to need to find a way to rearrange the UI to add this.

I would recommend putting the d100 or d% button on the top near the clear button. you wouldn't have to move much in the layout, and that button really doesn't need to be near the others.