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I've read both the Archive of Nethys entry, as well as my book version (they match) and unless I'm reading it wrong, this ability cannot be used as RAW.

I'm linking the Nethys version here of Extract Element

https://2e.aonprd.com/Classes.aspx?ID=23

It reads that to use Extract Element, the creature must have a trait that matches one of your selected Kinetic Elements, or be made out of one of your Kinetic Elements. Extract Element is an Impuse action, so you would need to be in your Kinetic Aura to use it.

The Success entry for Extract Element reads as such

Success The creature takes half damage, and you add some of its elemental matter to your kinetic aura. Your impulses bypass any immunity the creature has to their elemental trait or traits, and the target takes a –1 circumstance penalty to its saves and AC against your impulses. If the target normally has a resistance that would apply to damage from one of your impulses, ignore that resistance; if it normally would be immune to that damage type, it instead has resistance equal to its level to damage from the impulse. You can't target a creature with Extract Element if elemental matter you extracted from it is already in your kinetic aura. These effects last for 5 minutes or until your kinetic aura ends, whichever comes first.

The second to last line states that you can't target a creature if the element your extracting matches any of your elements that are in your aura. You aura always has all of your available elements in it. So it seems that there is no time where you would be able to extract an element because it both has to be an element in your aura, and an element that is not in your aura.

Any assiatance with this would be helpful, and I know that I could let it work, just trying to figure out if I'm reading the RAW correctly.

Thank you for your time.


Rhatha wrote:
While I suppose the wording can be argued, the first part of the archetype description says that you join a druidic circle, and you also learn the druidic language, so I would say that this qualifies you as a druid for purposes of their overall anathema. An organization that disowns its members for teaching their secret language isn't going to just let a part-timer get away with that. That aside, I think that it's implied in the multiclassing.

I agree with this sentiment. The dedication feat clearly states you select an order as if you were a druid, AND BECOME A MEMBER of that order and are bound by its anathema. The anathema of all druids is as follows:

1) Using metal armor or shields.
2) Despoiling natural places.
3) Teaching the Druidic language to non-druids.
4) Each druidic order also has additional anathema acts, detailed in the order’s entry.

If your GM allows you to use metal weapons and armor, that's their discretion. But RAW states you are a druid if that order and bound to all druid anathema, not just the order anathema.


Hello all,
I am an aspiring Metalsmith, currently taking classes to gain my BFA in metalsmithing, and let me tell you, it really has nothing to do with your strength. I am a pretty burly guy, 6'3" and 280+ lbs. and there are still thinks that I am having trouble doing, and my friend, who is 4'8" and skinny as a twig, and he has no problems with the stuff were working on right now.

It just takes time, practice, and a knowlegde of what your doing. I also have a problem with the simplistic way of 3.5 skills set ups, but in general INT is soo much more important that Strength.
ignimbrite78 is right, you develop the strength and endurance as you smith, but the knowledge of smithing takes time, and that is how Int helps in the skill.

>Lilith Said
>There also needs to be a clear delineation >between "blacksmithing" and "weaponsmithing." A blacksmith is >much more likely to be found repairing pots and pans, mending >farm tools, shoeing horses, sharpening tools - the everyday >situations that every village found themselves in. Weapons >were made to last, and requires a level of skill beyond your >average blacksmith.

When you wish to become a weaponsmith, you don't usually just pick up some steel, or iron and start hitting until you get a weapon, you usually start out as a blacksmith's apprentice, because the skills of a blacksmith to taper, bend, rivit, draw a hole, and a slew of other skills are required to make weapons. And although you can be a blacksmith who just makes horseshoes, and shoes horses, and repairs thing, they aren't just that, they can make a whole bunch of things. Fire place grates, lawn gates, and other things. Saying a blacksmith is just an average shmoe isn't a true comparison, that weaponsmith was at one point an avarage blacksmith who wanted to specialize into making weapons.

>Lilith Said
>A wizard's intelligence is more focused on his area of >expertise - magic. A fighter's intelligence would be more >focused on his martial skills, which could include >weaponsmithing. Also consider that a wizard doesn't start out >(normally) with Martial Weapon Proficiency - most typical >swords, axes, kukris and rapiers are much harder to make than >a club, dagger or longspear (simple weapons). What motivation >would a wizard have to take ranks in Craft (Weaponsmithing) >if all he could use were simple weapons?

No disrespect, but just because you don't know how to use something, does that mean you can't make it? If a weaponsmith strives to be the best weaponmaker he can, does he gain insight to how to use the items he makes better? Crafting something does not necissarily gain you a better familiarity with its function. As a metalsmith you gain a familierity with the properties of the substance, but not nessisarily on how to better use it in its end intended purpose. If I spend the next 3 years making high quality daggers does not mean I become a master with the dagger in armed combat.

>Lilith Said
>So, in conclusion, ladies & jellyspoons, a strong character >may be able to speed up the shaping of the metal, but the >character needs to have the smarts to back it up.

I aggree with your final point, having a wizzy w/ a high int max out craft (weaponsmithing) without some backround explaining it is stupid, but just because that guy is a wizzy does not mean that he isn't as good, or better than the fighter with the same skill.