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   Malfus wrote: CMD 21 isn't bad for a CR 7. For instance at level 7, an MM could have 7(*BAB*)+5(STR)+2(imp grap)+1(wf(us))+1(AoMF) for a +16 CMB. He would have to roll a 5 or higher to grapple. In fact, he just has to roll 5 once and then not auto-fail on two more attempts and the drider becomes helpless. New grapple is OP. Whoops, my mistake. I attributed the legs bonus on trip checks to grapple checks. Yeah, I suppose that doesn't change anything then.  
   I <3 Kobolds, especially because these were the kobolds I was used to before I discovered Western RPGs... Since http://www.tuckerskobolds.com/ is dead now, I feel this article needs to be posted... Quote: 
 
  
   Liam Warner wrote: The problem is from what we've been told that they didn't attack Paegin and his Gnolls with the kids as collateral damage, they attacked the kids using a spell that would almost certainly kill them while doing minimal damage to Paegin and the Gnoll's as collateral damage. Was it the best AOE spell they had? I'm pretty sure RD was nice enough to post their entire spell list, so I could be wrong, but it seems to have worked. Also, I hope it didn't happen because of KILL THINGS GET EXP syndrome. I've never DMed with EXP points before (it became more like, "I feel you did enough to get to lv x aka you need to be at level x for the next encounter, have a level"). Also, the Paladin confrontation sounds interesting. In all honesty, I like the idea of the truth getting out and the Court Mage becoming an enemy or something, but I don't think something like an alignment shift is necessary if they can ethically justify it, which I'm sure it can be.  
   Ravingdork wrote: 
 I don't think bringing in the War on Terror makes the case that what they did was wrong. America/Israel/and friends wouldn't pass on the opportunity of taking out a known terrorist just because they surrounded himself with civilians. If Osama Bin Laden had surrounded himself with a ten children, all we'd have gotten was a dead Bin Laden and ten dead kids. I don't know enough about Paegin, but I assume as a BBEG, he's doing pretty nasty things, probably things that involve the destruction of whatever nearby village and even more dead children. Just attacking Paegin and his Gnolls while they were vulnerable with the knowledge that the kids were in trouble was a perfectly reasonable response. Perhaps not the best response depending on their spell array, but a perfectly reasonable, non-evil response. You're fully within your rights of enforcing the Paladin code on your Paladin (reasonable and non-evil do not by themselves equate Paladin-approved), but punishing the rest of the party seems unnecessary. | 
 
	
 
     
    