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Thiago Cardozo wrote:

Hi everyone!

Just received the PDF for the Inner Sea Guide and I have to say it appears amazing.

I have a question concerning the Battle Dance ability of the Dawnflower Dervsih archetype that I hope someone can help me with. It is not clear to me whether you completely lose the ability to use the normal Inspire abilities, or if you lose them only during a battle dance. In other words, when I start Inspire Courage can I choose to use either Batlle Dance or normal Perform, or I give up permanently the ability to use it as a normal Perform (i.e to inspire my allies)?

The dawnflower dervish is a pretty unusual bard archetype in that it starts to transform the bard away from a support character and into the role of a primary combat character. I'm playing one in Erik Mona's game, in fact, and it plays a LOT more like a swashbuckler type character than a bard.

In any case, the battle dance ability makes it so that the inspire courage, inspire greatness, and inspire heroics bardic performances are altered. A dawnflower dervish using these three specific applications of bardic performance only augments herself, not her allies (although she does gain twice the normal bonus, of course). All of her other bardic performances work normally.

AKA: Don't take this archetype if you want to be able to bolster your companions with inspire courage, inspire greatness, or inspire heroics. Take the archetype if you want to be a swashbuckler/dervish dancer type melee fighter.

II would like to review this and get some clarification. I will post here what I interpreted it as:

When the Dawnflower dervish uses the inspire courage, inspire greatness, or inspire heroics Bardic performance types as battle dances, these performance types only provide benefit to the Dawnflower dervish himself. All other types of Bardic performance work normally (affecting the bard and his allies, or the bard’s enemies, as appropriate).

Does this not suggest that the Perform (battledance) only inspires the Dawnflower dervish? Why wouldn't the other perform skills work to continue to do what the Bard already knows how to do ...inspire others? How did that skill get lost? Dawnflower dervish already has to follow a specific deity to be permitted this subclass or lose all that come with it. Why would they also lose the ability to inspire others when not inspiring themselves?

The language of the description suggests they can do both but not with the Perform (dance) battle ability.
Trying to gain some insight into why the team would not allow the retention of the ability to inspire others with other perform skills like (string) or (song) or for that matter a different type of dance like the jig or waltz.