Search Posts
Would that be an evil act? Most definitely. Would it shift my alignment? I hope not, in case it does I would seek out a priest of a good deity to atone. What does that make me? Someone who should not play a paladin or take exalted feats for the shiny benefits. Well said Navarion. I think that sums it up. It comes down to character concept. I occasionally play a Paladin or good aligned character. I also have some in games that I run. I've not come across a game yet that wouldn't allow for me to have a chance of saving the day due to my alignment/character choice but that's for the PCs and GMs to work out. It's not in the OP but I wonder if that was the ONLY way to get the information or if it was a character choice. If it was a question of torture or do nothing put to good aligned characters then it was a poor game. If it was a choice made by Good aligned characters then the abuse (and deceit to a lesser extent) as described in the OP (which is pretty extreme read again) would seem to indicate a change in alignment away from good. That being said I have run a game with an evil PC who did bring torture to the table and I posed these questions to the Players as to what they thought and what they were going to do. The Good cleric said they'd leave the room at which point I asked if someone wanted to GM as I wasn't interested in running that. It was all happy families though as we are all great and respectful mates
Evil.
I argue that Ends don't justify Means, as by doing the torture for the benefit of society you are fundamentally corrupting the society by doing the torture. Oh and BTW ... just my POV (but you knew that) :) Alternatively you could just ask "what would Batman do?"
From what I read the differences in party survival come (in part) from DM approach to the final event.
Spoiler:
Our Avalexi went; Death attack - teleported away - failed her summon - then from a distance went to town on the Dominate/Suggestion/Charm, and with her DCs of 22-24 we were less than likely to save, effectively removing characters from the game. Her at will's are totally amazing as well. Sure she's legal but .... Given how our encounter went I marvel that parties actually got a chance to go toe to toe with her. A very fun adventure though and a great time to be had.
In the end fight how did you get around ... Spoiler:
the dc 23/24 Will saves on Dominate and Suggestion? I hear more than 1 party has gone splat that way.
Our fighter was Dominated to fight the party, Our Pally (me) was Suggested to go get the guards, Our Rogue was Charmed to "Save me from the bad Wizard - he keeps attacking me!". Our Wiz did pretty well putting fear into our fighter but after that we were pretty much out of options" The DC to dispel the Dominate was too high for our Wiz. As a consequence it was a little like a save or die fight.
Be glad to hear how some others went All in all it was a great time and we all had fun having our butts handed to us. Good game
I agree with Mike. Given the defenses of the BBEG and the DCs involved and the skills associated we had a snowballs chance in Osirion. Really great characters with loads of potential. Would love to have them as recurring villians/NPCs in a campaign (perfect). For an fight to the death OMG!!! It's a save or die fight. Fun though. Felt like I was playing Cthulhu.
To all my fellow DM's... TPK and DM saves is it something you allow and if so how often and under what circumstances so as to not break the "suspension of reality"? Just curious how other DM's handle theses situations. I adhear to the 1st rule of Gaming - "Have Fun" As a DM we have a chat before a campaign or with new players to get the lay of the land on this.Some peeps are really into the gameing side of it and love a good dice game - "Let the dice fall where they may". Some peeps are more into the long term life of their characters (Maybe they read too many comics), and we have a lot of professional actors in our group and that tends to be their pref. As a DM I'm big on the ambiguous death where the body is lost etc just in case I need to bring them back as undead (which can be fun) or they want to pick up the character again at a later date. Also before killing a PC I'll say to most players "How do you want to handle this?" and they'll usually say wether they are ready to retire the character. Note that I don't fudge dice rolls as a rule but I do mess around with the intentions of the foes. My baddies love running away, capturing and taunting/torturing PCs and some smarter ones are not above kidnap and ransom as a way of getting more gold (that's what being a bad guy's all about aint it?). It's ALWAYS about the story and the fun.
It took me a while but Yes I found it at the 60minutes nine australia site. What a bunch of inflamatory idiots! Of course it's a training "what if" excercise, but the Australian public don't need that. Then again it's the same program that ran a "D&D is evil and will turn your kids to the devil" piece in the 80s.
|
