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I also think 'Player Core Expansion' is a strong title and much better than 'Player Core 2'.

I dislike 'Monster Core', because it's a little simplistic, sounds like a music genre and is already the title of a series of fantasy erotica by one "Dante King" (google it).

No. I refuse.

breithauptclan wrote:

Staffan Johansson wrote:

I see people using two major different definitions of "compatible".

Going with your descriptions of the definitions, I would say that PF2 Remaster is going to be 'Fully Compatible'. Same as the 4th printing of the CRB is 'Fully Compatible' with the 1st printing.

There will be no math changes or level up progression changes. Existing monster stat blocks can be used without any modifications.

There are two noted significant changes. One is the removal and replacement of alignment. That is pretty equivalent to the removal and replacement of the boost, boost, boost, flaw ancestry entries. The other is the errata and changes to a few classes. That is equivalent to the errata and changes made to the Alchemist already (second printing and fourth printing both had noticeable changes to Alchemist).

I expect bigger changes than we already have in any reprints. But I agree with breithauptclan. None of the will change the basic rules and math. Even if the book completely rewrite a class or an ancestry for example the basic rules and compatibility still the same.

For example, imagine that we will have a new Champion completely rewritten no more depending from it's alignment just based in it's "oaths" with new mechanics and feats. It will still able to play any currently game because the base ruleset is the same.

These changes basically are like a revision into currently ancestries, classes, spells, feats and etc like any new class and ancestry does including keeping allowed to play with older versions and with older APs printed before (like playing AoA using a Summoner).

That's why call it as some kind of PF 2.5 is probably the most correct unofficial view. When D&D 3.5 was made you still able to play using old books and adventures, when PF1 was release (unofficially called as 3.75) you could do the same. Probably the most tables will in general abandon the old options due their own choices like happend to 3.5 and PF1 in favor of newer...

Really, I would not call it 2.5. If they keep the mechanical changes minimal and mostly focus on replacing OGL language, I would call this more 2.05 (with the current 4th printing 2.04).

OperationsKT wrote:

Just my thoughts. Like, this all sounds exciting, but not sure Paizo has fully thought out the timing, budgets and logistics of people looking to convert now in the wake of WotC both screwing with the OGL and sending a PMC after a gamer...

You have no idea how much we've wrestled with the timing, and how to balance an influx of interest in the game with the needs of transitioning the game away from the OGL and to the ORC.

{snip huge well thought out answer for space, seriously, it was very good, go read it}

Thank you for the very honest, frank, and detailed answer. This does settle a lot of my concerns that if we want to continue playing now and some folks at the table buy books they can find NOW that it won't hurt the majority of their characters or play experience.

Thank you. This is an answer that we NEVER would have gotten from WotC.

But to be fair, the timing kinda sucks...especially for the people who moved to PF2 recently because of WotC's shenanigans. Reacting with hostility and/or sarcasm to these people -- who are (imo reasonably) upset that the game that they just bought into is already changing -- is the opposite of productive.

Thank you, that is my main point.

I get it, WotC kinda forced their hand. But for those on budgets that just got into PF2e, this stings.

I know they will have a free changes document, but in the meantime, there are just no dead tree copies out there for people looking to get started.

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I know this wasn't intentional (and might have been in the works before OGHell spawned the ORC) but the timing could not be worse for my public table.

We have one copy of the Core Rulebook and Bestiary (mine). The other GM and I sold them on the idea of PF2e _because_ it was cheaper buy in for full rules than D&D (2 books, at $60 + $50 for $110+ tax vs D&D 3 books at $50 each for $150) with more options put into those books. Even cheaper, we noted, if you went Pocket Edition!

Yeah, they could not find any books now, but we had my set at least. Enough to go on while they waited for books to come back in stock.

We helped them make characters, we demoed the game, they liked it. We got them set up with some setting details in their characters, were planning to move forward, a couple were planning on buying Core Rulebooks.

Now, the player cost to entry has doubled, because 3 of the players classes are in a 2nd book now (Barbarian, Alchemist, Champion), that doesn't have all the core rules alone, so they have to buy 2 books at $120. Their cost doubled!

The other GM was also planning on buying books. So, his cost has gone from $110 to $240. I can afford this thanks to a good job, but the rest of this public table is poor college kids or even high school kids. They are NOT flush with cash, and neither are their families.

"Just use PDF or AoN!" I already can hear frothy fanboys saying. Yeah, I can, I work in IT, I get all this stuff. But this area is a rural area. They barely understand their phones (if they own one). 3 of them are neurodivergent and we just _cannot keep them on task and focused during game_ if a phone comes out. We _need_ dead tree for this table. And yes, Pocket is coming, but _even further out_.

Now, you say that the old books will work, but _if you can't find them right now because WotC sold you out of 8 months of your stock_ then they really won't have any option BUT to get the new ones. And half the table having to wait a full YEAR for their classes seems kinda, well, cruel.

Just my thoughts. Like, this all sounds exciting, but not sure Paizo has fully thought out the timing, budgets and logistics of people looking to convert now in the wake of WotC both screwing with the OGL and sending a PMC after a gamer...

Been a long time since I been back here, but all the news and the deal got me to finally bite on the 2nd Ed Core Book.

I had the PDF already from the Ukraine Humble Bundle, but such a hefty tome is easier to read in physical form, so order placed. Now the waiting game.

What other books are recommended for a "lite table" of Pathfinder 2e?