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I'm afraid there is too much ambiguity to this, folks here have their ideas, but you just have to talk to your GM to know how it will work for you.

That's essentially what I'm gathering.

So, thank you to everyone who's responding. I will show the thread to my GM, as it is ultimately his decision regardless.

A normal, mundane quiver (or any other normal mundane wearable container which it could fit in) could definitely work.

Use of a different container doesn't negate the question though. There's no need for my character to find a place to buy a quiver (he doesn't own one, or a bow) if the glove works.

You can carry the rod in a backpack, or in a quiver (it will use up about the same space as a single arrow) and it will still work.

While it is stored in the glove it is shrunk to a fraction of its normal size, I am not really convinced it will still work as normal.

If you store a lit torch, it will continue to shed light and it will burn down until it is consumed?

Just noting I mentioned it earlier, but my character has a handy haversack. So he can't put the rod in his backpack, it will be in an extradimensional space.

As far as a quiver, its much bigger than an arrow. This isn't a wand, its a rod (usually 2-3 feet long and 5 pounds)

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You can believe that I'm a min/maxer if you want. I didn't ask for a critique of how I play my character, I asked about how a rule works.

Since it seems you care though...

My character has a rod of splendor, he does not have a headband of charisma. Both the rod and the glove were treasure we acquired. They are what I have to work with. I can't simply exchange one for the other.

Do you know how sealing works as a combat maneuver?

You can attempt to take an item from a foe as a standard action. This maneuver can be used in melee to take any item that is neither held nor hidden in a bag or pack. You must have at least one hand free (holding nothing) to attempt this maneuver.

If I have the rod on my side, there's no reason for someone to *not* attempt this even if they don't know what the rod is, as it is described as a "fantastically bejeweled rod " and is worth 25,000gp with a strong magical aura.

The rod gives my character 2 spell slots (one 3rd and one 4th), +2 DC on all his spell saves, +2 uses of panache per day, +2 to his charmed life ability (Charisma to saves as an immediate action), as well as +2 to all his charisma based skills. That's not a tiny amount of abilities, and even though they are what I mentioned in my last post, social skills are actually bottom of the list.

I would argue no you don't count as carrying something when it's in any extradimensional space; that said, while the glove isn't technically an extradimensional space, I'd argue it does also act like one as there is no mention of the super tiny shrunk item fitting into the stitching or still being held in the palm (it is likely just floating a few micrometers away but that is still neither held nor carried). Secondly, if you can just have it hanging off your belt, why do you need it in an extradimensional space?

1) I don't want it in an extradimensional space.

Rods weigh approximately 5 pounds. They range from 2 feet to 3 feet long and are usually made of iron or some other metal.

5) I want the item somewhere where it won't hinder the character's ability to move, or talk to people (preferably hidden), and I can't just put it in my backpack as that is a Handy Haversack, and I know it being in an extradimensional space means I don't count as carrying it.

So, I've read the entry for Gloves of Storing multiple times, and I can't figure one thing out: Does an item stop functioning while being stored?

My character just got a Rod of Splendor, but doesn't want to openly carry it around all the time. He also just got a Gloves of Storing.

The Gloves read:

This device is a single leather glove. On command, one item held in the hand wearing the glove disappears. The item can weigh no more than 20 pounds and must be able to be held in one hand. While stored, the item has negligible weight. With a snap of the fingers wearing the glove, the item reappears. A glove can only store one item at a time. Storing or retrieving the item is a free action. The item is shrunk down so small within the palm of the glove that it cannot be seen. Spell durations are not suppressed, but continue to expire. If the glove’s effect is suppressed or dispelled, the stored item appears instantly. A glove of storing uses up the wearer’s entire hands slot. The wearer may not use another item (even another glove of storing) that also uses the hands slot.

Please note, it says that the item is shrunk down, not stored inside the glove in any extra-dimensional sense. It also specifies that "Spell durations are not suppressed, but continue to expire."

The Rod of Splendor reads:

The possessor of this fantastically bejeweled rod gains a +4 enhancement bonus to her Charisma score for as long as she holds or carries the item. Once per day, the rod garbs her in magically created clothing of the finest fabrics, and adorns her with furs and jewels.

Apparel created by the magic of the rod remains in existence for 12 hours. However, if the possessor attempts to sell or give away any part of it, use it for a spell component, or the like, all the apparel immediately disappears. The same applies if any of it is forcibly taken from her.

The value of the noble garb created by the rod ranges from 7,000 to 10,000 gp (1d4+6 x 1,000 gp)—1,000 gp for the fabric alone, 5,000 gp for the furs, and the rest for the jewels (maximum of 20 gems; maximum value 200 gp each).

In addition, the rod has a second special power, usable once per week. Upon command, it creates a palatial tent—a huge pavilion of silk 60 feet across. Inside the tent are temporary furnishings and food suitable to the splendor of the pavilion and sufficient to entertain as many as 100 people. The tent and its trappings last for 1 day. At the end of that time, the tent and all objects associated with it (including any items that were taken out of the tent) disappear.

Only the first sentence of the description matters for my purposes, specifically the part that says "...for as long as she holds or carries the item." As far as I understand the item I can have it strapped to my back and I still get the +4 CHA.

So, understanding these two items, if I put my Rod of Splendor in my Glove of Storing do I still count as carrying the item? Does it turn off while shrunk and stored?

The rules for activating ammo don't work very well when applied to anything but bows and weren't future-proofed very well either, as the others have pointed out. The actual idea seems to be that you have to have the ammo "in use" (e.g. loaded into a firearm) or in an accessible location and have to spend an extra action to get the effects. As long as that is fulfilled, you can safely ignore the specific logistics.

As far as making unarmed attacks while using a two-handed weapon go, that's a separate topic. Afaik you don't even need to take a hand off the weapon. You can make unarmed attacks with any part of your body, so long as it makes sense ("You can Strike with your fist or another body part..."). Your character can kick perfectly well while wielding a musket. If you specifically wanted to punch someone, then yes, you would have to later re-grip your weapon. That is done as either a seperate Interact action or as part of reloading the weapon your are wielding.

I was looking at having a gunslinger (specifically a triggerbrand) with a Sterling Dynamo, and using a gunsword (two-handed). So, specifically I'd have to punch, and it would have to be with that specific arm.

I just didn't realize that this ^ and interacting to activate then reload worked differently. oops. Thank you for the correction (honestly)

If a GM wants to add an extra action in there, they can, though I can't fathom why they'd want to nerf crossbows and two-handed rifles.

Okay, I was going off of something else because I was thinking about the fact that you are removing the hand to do something separate (activating the ammo).

I was told that if I was using a two handed weapon, and I wanted to take a hand off of it in order to punch someone, I would need to use an interact action to put the punching hand back on the weapon.

RAW, two-gun and sword-and-gun characters are out of luck, so are repeating weapons.

Two-handed gun users that don't use magazines can activate, then load, then shoot, per normal rules.

But doesn't removing and then replacing your hand on a weapon count as an interact action?

So, with a two-handed gun, it would be remove hand (free action), interact (action) to take out and activate the alchemical round, interact (action) to load the round, interact (action) to replace the hand.

so using alchemical ammo would allow you one shot every 4 actions.

Generally that is correct, RAW implies 2 interact actions be completed. However there's a lack of specific verbage bluntly stating as such in the same way as magical ammunition. So you might be able to argue to your GM that the interacts be combined into a single action...

The extra action to interact is less important to me than the "touching it with a free hand" part. Two-guns, Gun-and-sword, and two-handed guns are staples of the class. In fact there are several feats that work specifically with both and allow you to reload with no free hand (otherwise none of it would work, even the two-handed guns, as its an interact action to place a hand on the gun)

So, (looking for RAW/RAI) how is one of these gunslingers supposed to use alchemical ammo?

Sorry to resurrect this thread, I just found it. I am bringing a gunslinger into an existing campaign. I'm the only one in the group to ever try playing this class, and I don't understand some of this stuff (dealing with activating ammo).

If I understand this thread correctly, for anything other than normal ammunition you need to interact with it (as its own action, and not part of the interact to reload) in order to activate it.

The Activate an Item entry has the following requirements:

"You can Activate an Item with the invested trait only if it’s invested by you. If the item requires you to Interact with it, you must be wielding it (if it’s a held item) or touching it with a free hand (if it’s another type of item)."

If the ammo is loaded inside a magazine, you have no way of touching it. Similarly, when using a two-handed weapon with repeating, you do not have a free hand, meaning you cannot activate it at all. Without the whole process taking 3 actions at least, which defeats the point of having a repeating weapon.

The rules around special ammunition in general are really janky.

Karmagator if I am following what you are saying here, how is this supposed to function with someone using two guns or gun-and-sword?

Well, a lvl 0 formula is worth 5sp.

I'd probably buy it and get some other lvl 1 recipe.

I just don't think it makes sense that the "munitions" feat doesn't automatically give you the ability to make munitions.

Also, as an out-of-the-gate, level 1 character that extra 5sp is a lot. In order to get any use from my Way, I have to spend a minimum of 8 gold on my main weapon (I'm trying to build a Triggerbrand)

So you are playing with a gunslinger. Things about firearms including black powder are common to you. You may now be in area where weapons, ammo and black powder aren't common but IMO you basic class training may allow you to consider these kind of items and formulas as common.

The problem isn't just that black powder is uncommon, its that its level zero.

The feat(s) only say that I get level 1 formulas.

EDIT: So do I need to pay for the formula for the black powder?

I've searched and can't locate an answer, so I'm sorry if this has been asked before.

The feat Alchemical Crafting says: "When you select this feat, you immediately add the formulas for four common 1st-level alchemical items to your formula book."

The Munitions Crafter Feat says: "You also gain the Alchemical Crafting feat and four additional formulas for 1st-level alchemical items."

A formula book starts out blank.

Black Powder is an uncommon Level ZERO item.

RAW, how do I get the formula for Black Powder in my book?

Edit: the only thing I care about crafting is normal black powder.

And I forgot to mention, Healer's Hands also allows you to heal the same person multiple times per day.

Heal Skill Treating Deadly Wounds takes 1hr and a target can only benefit once per day(24hrs).

It's an out-of-combat activity and you are spending feats on it. I understand, just don't let your group guilt you into being the healer.

I am the party healer regardless, as I'm not just the only character with ranks in the heal skill, but also the only one capable of casting a cure spell.

Also, I took the feat "Healer's Hands" Its noted in the OP.

The feat allows you to Treat Deadly Wounds as a standard action, without need of a healer's kit, and (if you exceed the DC by 10) add your ranks in Knowledge Planes to the roll. You can only use the feat a number of times per day equal to your ranks in Knowledge Planes. Its a Conduit Feat.

You seem really heal-focused, so I'm wondering a bit about your minimum roll. Is Heal not a class skill (+3) for you? Do you not have a healer's kit (a Healer's Satchel counts as one)? That's a +2 circumstance bonus. Does your group not have buffs like heroism running most of the time? A cracked incandescent blue sphere ioun stone is only 200 gp for a +1 competence bonus to any one Wisdom-based skill (choose heal). A cracked magenta prism is 800gp for +2 competence instead.

Sorry, my math was slightly off. We are leveling to 9. I have max ranks, Skill Focus, and Wis +5.

I have a healer's kit, but I (sadly) never thought to use it when using Healing Hands (because it isn't needed).

No, we don't have anyone in the group who can cast Heroism.

I don't have any magic items that increase my healing. And we don't have an item crafter in the group either.

I'm not as heal focused as it may seem, but I'm the only character in the group who has any ranks in the skill or can cast a healing spell. I'm actually a Speaker for the Past Life Shaman. (I honestly planned on only dedicating 2 feats to this.) This is actually a third feat, because we really seem to need it.

Replace. So if you have 10 ranks in Heal, a 10 HD creature would heal 40 HP....

okay

That is correct, 31 instead of 25, though I would question whether or not 6 hp per use is worth a feat.

In combat where I can't take 10 on the check is where I think it would really matter, if I choose to use Healer's Hands instead of casting a spell. (Because with Healer's Hands I can tread deadly wounds in combat)

My minimum roll is 22 (not enough to add my Wis or Planes to the roll, so a PC in the group would heal only 10. That becomes 22 with Incredible Healer. My maximum without using incredible healer becomes 25 (If I roll a 9 for a total heal check of 30), but the number I roll for the heal check is always better than what I can get from Healer's Hands alone.

So, in that aspect I definitely think its worth it.

If your GM allows it you might want to take the Signature Skill feat and get the Heal Skill Unlock instead.

So I want to make sure, are the abilities from the Unchained Skill Unlockes supposed to stack with what you normally get when you Treat Deadly Wounds, or does it instead does it replace the normal?

Your Healer's Hands, Knowledge (Planes) included, is the "normal amount". You replace it completely when you use Incredible Healer.

So you cure 25 points when using Healer's Hands and 31 when using Incredible Healer.

Can use both feats together though? So when I use Healer's hands, if I take 10, I still get to heal the person 31

Treat Deadly Wounds: When treating deadly wounds, you can restore hit points to a damaged creature. Treating deadly wounds restores 1 hit point per level of the creature. If you exceed the DC by 5 or more, add your Wisdom modifier (if positive) to this amount. A creature can only benefit from its deadly wounds being treated within 24 hours of being injured and never more than once per day. You must expend two uses from a healer’s kit to perform this task. You take a –2 penalty on your Heal skill check for each use from the healer’s kit that you lack.

My character has the Healer's Hands feat:

You can use the Heal skill to treat deadly wounds as a full-round action. You do not take a penalty for not using a healer’s kit when treating deadly wounds this way, and you can do so on a given creature more than once per day. When treating deadly wounds this way, if your result exceeds the DC by 10 or more, add your ranks in Knowledge (planes) to the damage healed. These benefits do not apply to creatures that are not healed by positive energy. You can use this feat’s benefit a number of times per day equal to your ranks in Knowledge (planes).

We just leveled and I want to have him take Incredible Healer:

When you use the Heal skill to treat deadly wounds, the target heals a number of hit points equal to either the result of your Heal check or the normal amount, whichever is higher. A creature can still benefit from having deadly wounds treated no more than once per day.

My problem is that I can't figure out how the feats interact?

I have +21 Heal check (10 ranks, skill focus, Wisdom bonus +5) and 10 ranks in Knowledge Planes.
The DC for Treat Deadly Wounds is 20.
If I take 10 I automatically get a 31.

The normal amount I'd heal a target would be Their level + my Wisdom Modifier (15 for any of the other PCs).

But if I use my Healer's Hands what counts as "the normal amount"? When do I check to see if I get to add my Planes ranks?

Taking 10 when using Healer's Hands at my current level would I heal a party member 25, 31, or 41 HP?

society: 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (4) + 12 = 16

identify, divine: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (1) + 7 = 8

[roll=soothe for Thaine]3d10+10[/roll]

performance: 1d20 + 13 ⇒ (7) + 13 = 20

Attack Roll: 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (11) + 5 = 16

Hello

Thank you.

I'm not sure I'm reading the Heal spell correctly.

Heal reads:
"The number of actions you spend when
Casting this Spell determines its targets, range, area, and
other parameters.
[one-action] (somatic) The spell has a range of touch.
[two-actions] (verbal, somatic) The spell has a range of 30 feet. If you’re
healing a living creature, increase the Hit Points restored
by 8.
[three-actions] (material, somatic, verbal) You disperse positive energy
in a 30-foot emanation. This targets all living and undead
creatures in the burst."

If I take 3 actions to cast the spell, how much to I heal people? Is it 1d8 or 1d8+8?

Twin Takedown takes one action and says "Make two Strikes against your hunted prey, one with each of the required weapons. If both hit the same hunted prey, combine their damage for the purpose of its resistances and weaknesses. Apply your multiple attack penalty to each Strike normally."

Does this mean that if I don't need to move or take an action for anything other than attacking if I use Twin Takedown I can get 4 attacks in a round?

What does "Apply your multiple attack penalty to each Strike normally." mean exactly? If the first thing I do in a round is use Twin Takedown does my secondary weapon take a penalty? If so, what's my penalty to strike if my second action is also an attack?

If Twin Takedown *does* mean I can get 4 attacks, what's the penalty on my 4th strike in the round?

I read this exactly the same way Wheldrake did. Which means, yes it is potentially very expensive to aid someone. But do remember that DC doesn't *need* to be a 20, that's just the "standard"

James has the number correct, but is doing unnecessary math

There are two kinds of enchantments you can put on a weapon or armor:

Enchantments that have a + value (+1, +2, +3, etc...)
Enchantments that have a flat money value (2700 gold)

When upgrading you NEVER count the value of the original item, only the value of the enchantment.

When adding to an item that has both, ignore all flat money value enchantments.

CRB page 461, table 15-3 has the prices.

A +1 enchantment on armor is worth 1,000 gp
A +2 enchantment on armor is worth 4,000 gp

The value of the armor (including masterwork), and the value of the glamor enchantment don't factor in.

You pay the difference between value of the +1 enchantment and the value of the +2 enchantment

3,000 Gold

Some people were saying not it can but it does which is why there was a question about it.

I'm saying I wouldn't do it, and my previous post was one of the reasons why.

Devilkiller, this causes problems though. Your cohort can easily end up 3-4 levels below the PC.

FE: Jake just earned level 15 and takes leadership. He has a charisma of 14, and is known to be Fair and Generous but his GM says he doesn't get any other positive modifiers. This makes his leadership score 18. The maximum level cohort attractable with that leadership score is 12th.

As with most GMs I know, the cohort starts at minimum exp for that level: 145,000 (f); 220,000 (m); or 330,000 (s).

If Jake doesn't get a Charisma item, chances are his Leadership Score won't increase until he gains level 16.

Advancing from level 15 to level 16 takes:

175,000 exp (f)
255,000 exp (m)
395,000 exp (s)

Advancing from level 12 to level 13 takes:

65,000 exp (f)
95,000 exp (m)
145,000 exp (s)

The Cohort gains approximately 80% of the exp of the PC each time exp is awarded. That means Jake's cohort will top out at level 1 exp shy of level 13 several thousand exp prior to Jake earning level 17.

Once Jake earns level 17, his cohort starts gaining exp again. However, until the GM awards Jake exp again, the cohort is still level 12, and thus not 2 levels low, but 4.

This is would be even worse if Jake had only a 12 or 13 Charisma Score, no positive modifiers for reputation or had any negatives (like a familiar or animal companion).

Queen Morgan, thank you. That was how I thought it was supposed to work. The passage in Ultimate Campaign just confused me, and I had a hard time getting my issue across well.

That clears everything up. I appreciate the time.

That was my question in the first place.

According to the chart in the PCR and the SRD the your Leadership score determines the level you can recruit.

According to what the OP posted Ultimate Campaign says:

"If you exploit your cohort, you'll quickly find your Leadership score shrinking away. Although this doesn't change the cohort's level, the cohort can't gain levels until your Leadership score allows for a level increase, so if you're a poor leader, you must wait longer for your cohort to level up. In extreme cases, the cohort might abandon you, and you'll have to recruit a new cohort."

That passage indicates that your leadership score would not only determine you cohort's starting level, but also his MAXIMUM level.

So PCR: A cohort traveling with an 18th level character who has a Leadership Score of 22 can gain exp up to and including level 16. Said Cohort cannot become level 17 until the PC he is associated with becomes level 19.

UC: A cohort traveling with an 18th level character who has a Leadership Score of 22 can gain exp up to and including level 14. Said Cohort cannot become level 15 until the PC he is associated with raises his Leadership Score to a 23.

Right, but even not counting my mount I only have a score of 22 (max cohort level of 15. You need a score of 23 to have a cohort of level 16.

This is the relevant sentence in Leadership;

If a cohort gains enough XP to bring it to a level one lower than your level, the cohort does not gain the new level—its new XP total is 1 less than the amount needed to attain the next level.

The maximum amount of xp that a cohort can earn places him 1 xp short of your level -1, or in other words your level -2.

Your leadership score really only applies if it would result in a number that is less than your level -2.

In your own post, the line above that refers to advancing the cohort. Only the first sentence refers to gaining a cohort. The second sentence refers to equipping him. Then his race & class, then his alignment.

So if I am level 18, and my leadership score is a 20 because of my special mount (chart says max cohort level 14), what is the maximum level of my cohort?

Is it level 14 or 16?

Here's what I mean:

I am level 18 with a leadership score of 22, and a level 15 cohort. My Cohort currently sits at 326 exp below level 16.

During tonight's game session I gain 5 negative levels (thus assumingly bringing my leadership down to a 17). The group gains 5,000 exp for the night, but we end before I have had any of my negative levels dealt with.

How much exp does my cohort gain for the game session?
Does my cohort gain level 16?

cohort maxes out at level -2, but only 1 xp short of level -1.

Think of leadership score being the lower limit, and your level -2 being the upper limit.

So in YOUR opinion, what level should my cohort be? Level 15 or level 16?

Thank you chbgraphicarts, that is what I was trying to explain.

I do have a question though:

When YOU consider this:

So, basically, if you're a lv19 Character, you're a douche to your lv17 Cohort, and your Leadership score falls from 24 to 23 or less, your Cohort stops gaining XP until your Leadership score rises to 24 or higher.

How do you factor in temporary losses to Charisma or level (including permanent until cured, and permanent until duration ends effects.)

(posted too soon and didn't want to edit)

If my leadership score determines the max level of my cohort, and the cohort maxes out at level-1 in exp, that actually means that she will never gain exp until I reach level 19. She will not be 2 levels below me, or even 3, she will be 4 levels below me.

Hold on. I think you are missing my point:

I have a Leadership score of 22 (20 for purposes of attracting a cohort according to the second modifier chart because I have a special mount.)

I am level 18, and my cohort has been part of the group since I was level 13 (she was level 10).

A 22 leadership score allows you to gain a cohort of level 15 or lower. My cohort has gained enough exp to become level 16 (two levels lower than me).

I am NOT attracting a cohort. My cohort has been around to see my PC gain 5 levels. The CRB (the passage we both quoted) only refers to ATTRACTING a cohort. In fact nothing in the book discusses loosing a cohort, or leveling a cohort except that the cohort's level can never be more than 2 below the PCs.

If Ultimate Campaign says that your Leadership Score determines the max level of the cohort, that is a huge difference.

In the CRB it never says that you Leadership Score has anything to do with your cohort gaining levels, it only states that it has to do with ATTRACTING a cohort.

Attracting a cohort means: finding and gaining a cohort, not keeping the cohort.

Quoting the SRD (bolding the relevant sections:

Cohort Level: You can attract a cohort of up to this level. Regardless of your Leadership score, you can only recruit a cohort who is two or more levels lower than yourself. The cohort should be equipped with gear appropriate for its level (see Creating NPCs). A cohort can be of any race or class. The cohort's alignment may not be opposed to your alignment on either the law/chaos or good/evil axis, and you take a –1 penalty to your Leadership score if you recruit a cohort of an alignment different from your own.

A cohort does not count as a party member when determining the party's XP. Instead, divide the cohort's level by your level. Multiply this result by the total XP awarded to you, then add that number of experience points to the cohort's total.

If a cohort gains enough XP to bring it to a level one lower than your level, the cohort does not gain the new level—its new XP total is 1 less than the amount needed to attain the next level.

This is the only section in the SRD about cohort level. It never says anywhere that your Leadership Score has anything to do with the level of the cohort after he joins the group. That is why I am wondering if the information in Ultimate Campaign should be considered optional.

A) Thank you again for the help. I've never used that section of the PRD before.

Possibly a silly follow up question:

Considering the fact that the beginning of the section on Campaign Systems says:

"This chapter presents a variety of small tweaks for your campaign, each one focused on giving life to moments and depth to activities in your game. You can use these systems individually or mix and match them together to taste."

Do you consider these optional additional rules or clarifications of Core rules?

Also, does the special mount count for this or not?

The section reads: (PRD) "When you try to attract a follower, use the following modifiers."

(PCR) "Other modifiers may apply when you try to attract a cohort, as listed below."

The chart states:

"Has a familiar, special mount, or animal companion: -2"

So is this just for attracting the cohort?

Does this also apply to the cohorts level?

Does it apply to "keeping" the cohort should my leadership score ever drop?"

Thank you.

Can anyone tell me where in the Ultimate Campaign this passage is?

Sadly it matters a whole lot for me, because the cohort in question JUST earned 16th level, and my GM generally uses the non-variant rules from that book.

Sorry, my mistake: Ultimate Campaign.

I don't have access right now to either one, but I also can't find the information in the PRD

Still, the question stands: what level should my character's cohort be?

Sorry to resurrect this thread, however I just found it today.

I want to make sure I understand this whole thing because I have a high level character with a cohort.

I took Leadership around level 13, and have had the same cohort ever since. My character has a Charisma of 15 (+2), the Natural Born Leader trait (+1), and has always shown Fairness and Generosity (+1), but he also has a Special Mount (-2). My character is now level 18, so my leadership score is a 22 (20 in regards to attracting a follower)

I don't have a copy of Ultimate Combat, so I don't know where the OP found the passage he's quoting.

Without using the information in Ultimate Combat, my Leadership Score allows me to attract a cohort of level 15. However (as stated above) I've had my cohort with me for 5 levels now. I already had the special mount and my GM considered me to have all the bonuses listed above, so my cohort started at Level 10.

We have earned enough exp since the characters joined up that my cohort is now level 16 (two levels lower than my PC).

However, if I understand the comments made here correctly, people (especially Claxton) are saying that my Leadership Score is what determines the maximum level of my cohort, not my level. So my Cohort shouldn't be allowed to be level 16 (even though we've earned more than enough EXP) her maximum level is 15 (or possibly even 14 because of my special mount).

Did I get that correct, or am I missing something?

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“Uh… 182.”
“That’s my AC.”

It is hard for me to accept that my friend is no longer with us. I miss him terribly already. Yet, because I carry his memory in my heart he will never be truly gone. Like most tragic events, his death had a profound impact on not just me, but everyone here in Minnesota and beyond. I’ve told more people I love them. I’ve slowed down to enjoy life more. I savor the little interactions with other people. And most of all I will live my life to the fullest extent I can. Jack would expect no less and demand even more. Goodbye my friend. I will love you forever.

Jack Brown
1966-2023

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the comments are gold

See above!

Apollo
2011? - 2021

Join me in raising a glass of prune juice (a warrior’s drink) to Apollo, gone before his time. He was crazier than a s#*@-house rat, destroyed every toy within minutes, played hard, and loved harder. He was happy hiking our myriad parks and watching the swans fly and land gave him peace and calm.

We gave you the best life we could. Our only regret is that you did not enter our lives sooner than you did.

May the road rise to meet you, Apollo.
May the wind be at your back
May the sun shine warm upon your face
May the rain fall softly on your fields
And until we meet again
May Thor hold you in his hand.

It was announced earlier that Will is leaving Paizo on October 30.

Will was one of the first Paizo employees I met. I’m not sure when this was, but he and I would chat every PaizoCon, going back to the very first one I attended. Maybe it was surprise that some long haired hippy with a beard wanted to talk to the guy who ran the warehouse; maybe it was curiosity that the same guy just kept talking to him over the weekend. Maybe it was the whiskey consumed in the bar. I’m guessing it was the whiskey.

Will would stop and chat with everyone. His quick smile, the glint in his eyes, and easy laugh made him someone I would always go out of my way to introduce people to. Over the years this group of people expanded exponentially. To the point where a small Cult of Will grew organically. Kinda like a mushroom colony.

My favorite memory of Will is from a PaizoCon past. The banquet specifically. So there is Jeff Alvarez at the door when six nords from Minnesota walk up.
“Hi Jeff.”
“Oh, hey jon. How many do you have?”
“Full pull. Six.”
Starts scanning the room. “Well there is Person X, or Person Y, or Will’s table–“
“We’ll sit with Will!”

I will neither confirm nor deny that evening that I violated around six WA state laws, “sang” ‘I’m a Little Tea Pot’ at the top of my lungs ($20 bucks is $20), “Will, you want a beer?l “Sure, I’ll have a...” “AJ, cough.” glugglugglug. “Here you go, Will.” “Oh my god, I’m gonna get in so much trouble.”

May the road rise to meet you, Will. Conventions will not be the same without you grumbling about someone f$%#ing up the pallet load outs. You and yours will always have a home wherever I reside. My door will always be open. Now, and until I shuffle off the mortal coil.

I will miss you.

jon

So, my wife tested positive for COVID-19. We think she was exposed on Feb 28 (outpatient surgery) or March 10 (follow up visit). She was tested March 16 and received confirmation March 19/20.

March 13 she got hit like a bullet train with symptoms. Got progressively worse all weekend.

I self quarantined on Monday. I had gone to work the days between Feb 28 and March 16.

So far I have read a lot (CotCT in totus) as well as WotR (kickstarter got me all hype!), watched a lot of movies, and am staring at the large stack of books left unread. Our two dogs, two birds, and one lizard are keeping us company. Both kids are home as school is closed. Yes, I have children.

So far I am not symptomatic. We are operating under the assumption I would test positive so I get to hang out at home. Work told us to stay home starting March 18 with pay. Live better, work union.

Friends have responded with lots of love and offers of supplies. We are very fortunate in that regard.

I do not wish what my wife is experiencing on anyone.

Michael Owen Hill! This guy is the sheet. Congrats MOH!

Hello!

Can you please cancel my Pathfinder Adventure Path and Starfinder Rules subscriptions, please? I wish to also cancel my Starfinder Adventure Path subscription after volume 24 (Attack of the Swarm part 6).

Please let me know if there is anything else you need from me.

Thank you very much.

jon

I would like to add the hardcover World Guide to the pending subscription order shipment, please.

Yay Tineke!

When: September 14-16, 2018

Where: The Fantasy Flight Games Event Center, Roseville, MN

As always we will donate proceeds to our favorite local charity: Tubman
(Tubman's donation wish list)

Come join us this fall as we gather to game and give back to our community. We were very successful in both our dollar amount raised and the volume of food and goods donated. So as always, our goal is to do better than the year before. This is a daunting task, but one I am confident we can and will conquer.

This year’s group of guests is headlined by none other the Organized Play Coordinator, Tonya Woldridge! Who knows what Tonya will bring with her, but if her last visit to Minnesota gives a hint, it will be exciting.

Also returning is SFS lead developer Thurston Hillman! There will be an opportunity to play Thursty’s Paizo Con lottery game, I believe. If not, then maybe this will “convince” him to offer it.

Also confirmed for this year is Clinton Boomer! The hits just keep.on.coming.

I want to take a moment and thank everyone who has helped make our little con be such a success. I think how in the hell are we gonna do better than last con and Every Year y’all show me the spirit of giving is alive and well here. I’ve seen what our efforts do for Tubman and the people they help; knowing we make a difference in someone’s life makes all the work, all the late nights, all the cajoling (“Yer gonna come visit us this year, right?”), all the planning, and everything else involved with putting on a convention so worth it. I am humbled by everyone’s generosity. Truly, thank you so very much!

Watch this thread for updates about registering and table signups, as well as anyone else we can strongarm, I mean convince, into joining us.

Lastly, as always...
Lets do this people!

The three rules of Muppetfinder

1: why not?
2: shenanigans expected and encouraged
3: there are no rules

Following up on an email sent 4/18/18 from which I did not receive a reply.

Please remove the softcover playtest rule book.

I will also point out, again, there is no way for me to adjust this order. There is nothing to click on where it advises me to.

Thank you.

HILARY MISS ROWDINESS OF OLD FOUR UMS! CHOPCHOP! SHE SAYS THERE IS NO AIR IN THESE FOUR UMS, WHICH THUNDERLIPS! FIND HARD TO BELIEVE AS AS DEVELOPER HIGHER THAN CAPTAIN JOHN CMPTON TELLS THUNDERLIPS! AIR IS NEEDED FOR SOUND AND THUNDERLIPS! HEARS MANY THINGS IN THESE FOUR UMS.

LIKE JUST IN WOOD POND, THUNDERLIPS! READY TO BRING THE ROWDY BACK. ASK NETHER PEO-, NO... NEDE... NO... DUTCH PEOPLE? THEY SAW THUNDERLIPS!'S NEW SILK THONG IN ACTION. NEW THONG BROUGHT SOMETHING THEY SAID. THUNDERLIPS! BELIEVE IT BROUGHT THE ROWDY BACK.

AS THE... UM, UH... RES UH DENT PATHFINDER DANGEROUSLY CURIOUS MAN OF INFLUENCE THUNDERLIPS! WILL DO MORE FOR ROWDY AIR IN FOUR UMS. YOU CAN NOT BLAME THUNDERLIPS! FOR THE SMELL-O-FOUR UMS, THOUGH. IT WAS LIKE THAT WHEN THUNDERLIPS! GOT HERE.

The whole pig was roasted. The cider keg is half empty. Giantslayer 3 commences.

We're back! Bigger and better than ever! (well two years running but you get the idea...)

When: September 15-17
Where: The Fantasy Flight Games Event Center, Roseville, MN

As always we will donate proceeds to our favorite local charity: Tubman

We continue Skål Con's annual tradition: a food drive! Please bring as much non-perishable food items as you can for donation. Desired items would be things like canned fruits, vegetables, soup, and dry goods (pasta, rice, etc.). As always with food items, we can only accept unopened items in their original packaging. For each item you bring there will be an in-game benefit for your characters. Our lodge donated a lot of food last year and I expect us to exceed that amount.

Come join us for our local Starfinder Society kick off event! SFS Developer Thurston Hillman will be on hand to not only answer all yer questions, but even run a few tables of Starfinder. There may be a surprise for attendees that I am not at liberty to reveal.

Clinton Boomer returns for a third year. Watch this thread as we are working on getting a new scenario by Boomer cleared for PFS credit.

Green Blood! Black Rock!

Also confirmed is Jaye Sonia, owner of Storm Bunny Studios, creator of Rhune: Dawn of Twilight, and the creator of Bloodlines & Black Magic (with lots of help from his friends). Come play test Bloodlines &.Black Magic all weekend!

The silent auction returns as well. Last year we had a goblin boon put up. This year? Who knows, but don't you think you should be here to find out?

Card game? Yeah, we got that covered. All weekend long.

Green Blood! Black Rock!

Our goal is to top last year's monetary donation of $7000. We can only do this with your help. If you are unable to attend Skål Con, you can still make a tax deductible donation. Everything helps and we depend on our volunteers and the generosity of Pathfinder Society players to make Skål Con a success.

Let's do this, people!

"So, I guess they are sending SWAT to some Meet and Eat on some fancy ass estate. I guess they needed to send the Society's finest to schmooze a few hoity toity."

read everything in a thick Chicago accent

A smoke stained wood room with a large bar tended by one man stand along the far wall. Various posters, flags, firearms, and other memorabilia hang on the walls. Several kegs of various ales line the wall behind the bar. An oven with a flat iron top gives off an aroma of spicy sausage. There is a tank of water filled with oysters at one end of the bar.

Curiously, an intricate mosaic of Sarenrae adorns the wall over the kegs.

A medium height man with a thick mustache wipes down the bar top. His apron is immaculate.

Hey! welcome to Dicky Serpico's Boar 'n Oysters bar. This here is the official bar for Pathfinder Society's SWAT members. If you've tried the rest, send in the best.

Hey! it's the Thunders! Lips and Cock! What can I do for you boys?

WILL THUNDERLIPS! NEED TO EXPLORE MORE CRYSTAL WOMBS WITH SPIKY BUSH IN THIS SCENARIO? LAST TIME THUNDERLIPS! WENT TO ANOTHER PLANE OF EXISTENCE WHICH IS HARD FOR THUNDERLIPS! IN THUNDERLIPS!'S ADMITTEDLY SMALL UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORLD TO GRASP, UNLIKE TONDERNOTTER WHICH IS EASY TO GRASP, THERE WERE ODD THINGS THAT THUNDERLIPS! PREFER NOT TO SEE AGAIN.

MAYBE THUNDERLIPS! NEEDS TO BRING ALONG SAME TWO RABBITS FROM CRYSTAL WOMB TO JOURNEY WITH THUNDERLIPS! AND THUNDERCOCK! INTO NEW PLANE... STILL NOT SURE WHAT THIS IS... AND WHATEVER IT IS THUNDERLIPS! NEEDS TO DO.

More piratey shenanigans with fund raising goodness!

When: September 16-18
Where: The Fantasy Flight Games Event Center, Roseville, MN

Again, this year we will donate all proceeds to our favorite local charity: Tubman

Can't make the convention, but still want help out? Then please visit skalcon.org to make a donation.

We set the bar very high with last year's inaugural Skål Con, but I am confident we can not only meet, but exceed what ever goals we set for ourselves. But to do that we need your help.

We are implementing what I hope will become an annual tradition for Skål Con: a food drive! Please bring as much non-perishable food items as you can for donation. Desired items would be things like canned fruits, vegetables, soup, and dry goods (pasta, rice, etc.). As always with food items, we can only accept unopened items in their original packaging. For each item you bring there will be an in-game benefit for your characters.

We are always looking for volunteers because you still make our job (lives) easier. If you are interested, drop me a line or pm. We are a great bunch who are mad about our game and our convention. You will leave feeling good knowing you helped make Skål Con the best it can be.

Have something you want to donate for our silent auction? We'll take it! This year's center piece is a Pathfinder Beta rule book signed by as many Paizo folks as arms we can twist. Plus, if I can track him down at GenCon, Wayne Reynolds said he would draw us a picture on the inside cover. Now, if that doesn't get you a little hopped up, I don't know what will.

Watch this space for future updates. We are lining up guests that I know you will love to meet and potentially play at their tables.

This is gonna be fun people! Let's make it so!

No, this is not a humorous thread by any means.

So I just got off the phone with the hotel. I was attempting to modify my reservation since there were additional rooms available at the con rate.

(Background! I reserved two rooms at the con rate only to be told the con rate was sold out for the last night of the con. What? Really? Fine. All of us will just pile into one room on Monday night.)

Now. Since I thought there were additional rooms available at the con rate I could simply modify my existing reservation for the two rooms with a check out on Tuesday morning.

Nope! Can't do that!

Why? Glad you asked.

The only rooms available Monday night at the con rate were for one king size bed. The hotel did not really care that there would be three people attempting to share that one bed.

I am very pissed off right now. One, that not enough rooms were blocked off at the beginning to insure that people flying from parts unknown could stay the entire convention, and two, that the additional rooms made available are with one f!*#ing bed.

This sort of experience makes a guy really consider not going to future PaizoCons if this is the norm.

WE WANT TO BE FREE!

WE WANT TO BE FREE TO RIDE!

WE WANT TO BE FREE TO RIDE OUR MACHINES WITH OUT GETTING HASSLED BY the mona!

THUNDERLIPS! AND LUCIUS RIDE TO SEA-TAC THIS MAY!

THUNDERLIPS! HEARS RUMOR OF NAHLEENS TOWN INHABITANTS THAT KEEP GETTING PEOPLE WITH FUNNY TITILE'S AFTER THEIR NAME TO HONOR THEIR HERITAGE. THUNDERLIPS! LOOKS FORWARD TO SAILING LONGBOAT INTO PUNGENT SOUND TO LAY WASTE TO WEST SEEATTLE! Except Easy Street Records. We like Easy Street Records. If this shop is no longer open THEN WEST SEEATTLE BURNS!

RATMAN! LET'S RIDE!

THUNDERLIPS! PROUD TO ANNOUNCE NEW FIVE STAR GM FROM THE LAND OF THE MIDNIGHT SUN, BEST STATE IN THE UNION, MINNESOTA! JACK BROWN IS A TRUE ULFEN WARRIOR! FULL OF THE SPIRIT AND COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF WHISKEY NEEDED TO EMBODY WHAT FIVE STARS REPRESENT.

KEITH JUST NEEDS A POWER NAP. SAME WITH DAMIEN.

THUNDERLIPS DOES NOT REMEMBER THE END OF THE SCENARIO. I THINK WE DEFEATED THE CRITTERS. THUNDERLIPS! HAS CHRONICLE DETAILING SUCCESS SO THUNDERLIPS! WILL JUST GO WITH THAT.

FROM ENCOURAGING HIS WORK MATES TO TRY CORE PFS, TO HIS ABILITY TO WRANGLE PBP PLAYERS, JACK IS THE EPITOME OF FOR WHAT ALL ULFEN SHOULD STRIVE.

AFTER THUNDERLIPS! OF COURSE. JACK NEEDS TO WORK ON HIS BEARD.

JACK IS WHAT THE AWARD WAS FIRST INTENDED TO CONVEY: AWESOMENESS, COOL DUDENESS, DRUNKENESS (OK, MAYBE NOT THIS ONE), A COMMAND OF THE RULES, A MENTOR TO NEW PLAYERS, AND A TRULY WARM AND GENEROUS INDIVIDUAL WHO IS YOUR FRIEND MINUTES AFTER MEETING HIM.

THUNDERLIPS! IS PROUD TO BRING JACK INTO THE FOLD OF THOSE WITH FUNNY TITLES AFTER NAME.

ANYONE NOT CLAPPING NOW IS GOING TO DEAL WITH A VERY IRATE AND UNFORGIVING ULFEN BARBARIAN! CLAP HARDER!

JACK BROWN! JACK BROWN! JACK BROWN! JACK BROWN! JACK BROWN! JACK BROWN!

I can't recommend Runequest 6th enough. Pete and Loz wrote a clean, elegant rule system that built on previous editions and surpassed each.

The other setting books are worth looking at as well. especially Monster Island and Mythic Britain.

Anyone have any questions?

Is this a good idea? I know the amount of last minute downloads I am doing today is enough to make me want to reach thru the internets to have a civil conversation about 1850's geopolitics in the Pan-Asian basin.

I have four items sitting in my shopping cart that I wish to use store credit to purchase. When I click the button to apply store credit, nothing happens. My order shows no credit will be applied. I have tried multiple browsers and machines with the same result.

Hey Everybody!

Please join me in welcoming aboard the crazy train three fine individuals from the great state of Minnesota: Jack Brown, Keith Apperson, and Rodney Golden!

These three are charged with expanding the our potent, virile, and girthsome lodge to the far corners of Minnesota. Jack will handle the north central part of the state, Keith the south east corner, and Rodney the south west section.

All three have shown a dedication to expanding our player base and we are positive only good things will come from these promotions. It is exciting times hear in the North Star State. You should come visit us.

Everybody please welcome Jack, Kieth, and Rodney!

YAY!

As of this posting, there are only two items for listed for pre-order. Either there is artwork for the likely companion tie in for Occult Adventures they don't want to show, or something more dire is afoot. The product schedule goes to June which lists the last announced title.

Are there any plans to publish or announce additional titles?

THUNDERLIPS! AM WILLING TO TAKE LEVEL OF HUNTER TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

JUST THIS WEEK, THUNDERLIPS! HAD CHANCE TO PROVE HIS INFLUENCE TO SEVERAL FINE LADIES OF ABSALOM. THEY WERE ALL IMPRESSED BY TONDERNOTTER AS IS RIGHT AND PROPER. NOT ONCE DID THUNDERLIPS! NEED TO SLAP TONDERNOTTER UPSIDE A GUARD'S FACE SINCE THEY ALL RECOGNIZED ME FOR THE MAN OF INFLUENCE THAT THUNDERLIPS! AM. THUNDERLIPS! LOVE THE LADIES. THEY LOVE ME RIGHT BACK.

BUT SOON, AS THE ADVENTURE TO INTRODUCE ULFEN LINEAGE TO THESE LADIES CONTINUED, THUNDERLIPS! ENCOUNTERED A SANGUINE BEAST THE LIKES OF WHICH MADE MY HEART FLUTTER. EVEN MORE THAN MADELINE BLAKROS, MY BELOVED.

THE TROLLHOUND.

SO BEAUTIFUL. SO POWERFUL. SUCH AN ATTITUDE. SO LIKE OLD WOMAN BLAKROS. WHY CAN THUNDERLIPS! NOT HAVE ONE FOR A COMPANION? THUNDERLIPS! IS WILLING TO MAKE GREAT SACRIFICE (SEE ABOVE) TO LOCATE THIS MAGNIFICENT SANGUINE BEAST TO ROAM ABSALOM WITH. WE WOULD DO GREAT DEEDS FOR MALODOROUS! LIKE I DID FOR LADY GORILLA! THUNDERLIPS! ALWAYS WILLING TO SHAKE DOWN PEOPLE SELLERS FOR MONEY. THUNDERLIPS! AND TROLLHOUND WOULD SPREAD INFLUENCE EVERYWHERE WE WENT! LONG WALKS ON THE DOCKS... TEARING APART GNOLLS... LOVING THE LADIES...

I WOULD LOVE HIM, AND PET HIM, AND SQUEEZE HIM, AND NAME HIM hamaria.

THUNDERLIPS! HEARS THERE IS A MAN MORE POWERFUL THAN THE CARPET SELLER VALSIN IN THE PATHFINDER SOCIETY. THIS MAN OF INFLUENCE GOES BY THE NAME JOHN COMPTON. HE EVEN HAS FUNNY TITLE AFTER JOHN COMPTON! THOUGH, THUNDERLIPS! IS ADMITTEDLY CONFUSED BY DEVELOPER BEING BIGGER THAN CAPTAIN. SOMETIMES GOLARION NOT MAKE SENSE TO THUNDERLIPS! WHAT DOES MAKE SENSE IS THUNDERLIPS! WITH A TROLLHOUND COMPANION.

HOW DOES THUNDERLIPS! ACQUIRE SUCH A SANGUINE BEAST COMPANION?

Mark your calendars! This fall sees the inaugural edition of Skål Con, the newest gaming convention in Minnesota!

When: September 18-20
Where: The Fantasy Flight Games Event Center, Roseville, MN

Skål Con is three days of Pathfinder Society play to kick off Season 7. We will schedule the Tier 1-11 special Siege of Serpents along with multiple tables of The True Dragons of Absalom, Serpents Rise, the first three Season 7 scenarios, and others as well.

Skål Con is also a means for the PFS community to give back. Every dollar we make after recouping our expenses is being donated to a local charity. We will have items for auction and sale to help meet our goals.

We are still in the planning stages, but felt we have enough to whet yer all's appetites.

For those of you who know me or have seen a photo, this next bit should interest you. If, over the course of the convention, we raise a certain dollar amount I will shave my head and beard. Rest assured, this goal is no small number. I have had one haircut in three years. That's what this means to me.

We will need volunteers, naturally, because all of you make our jobs (lives) easier. If you have any questions, ask here or shoot me an email.

I will update the thread with more information as we finalize our plans.

Let's do this, people!

I was just thinking of ways to get Gencon involved...

Gencon has threatened to leave Indianapolis over an anti-gay rights measure masquerading as a religious freedom bill passed by the Indiana legislature.

It is my sound hope that Paizo is behind Gecon LLC in this endeavor.

Is it possible to add a "Merge with existing thread" option for flagging?

Thank you.