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Lawful Evil GM wrote:

so... wizard player uses rules as written (planar binding, flesh to stone), and even though he knew it was hopeless, tried to use rules as written again (casting dimension door only has a vocal component)... gm responds.... rocks fall, you die.

Let this be a lesson to power gamers everywhere, how dare you get a +2 to a stat.

Classic case of GM vs PCs

You did something smart, how DARE YOU!


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This is so extremely off topic, but I'm annoyed with the people that try to make planar binding useless by coming up with almost unworkable and extremely inconstant scenarios, just so they can stick it to that dirty dirty mage.


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>The problem isn't so much focusing your character in specific areas as doing it to the point of making yourself WORSE in other areas

You can not be serious, can you? Of COURSE a Wizard is gonna be WROSE at fighting enemy's up front, it's what he CHOOSE to do. Are people gonna demand equality of magic and BAB next?

Our strength and weaknesses define us.

>The first part is illogical. Would you damage your own body, your own health, in order to make yourself better at what you do?

No, but I'm not training it either. People seem to forget that 10 is the average. Having a 8 in STR doesn't mean I'm a f$@#ing cripple.

>They're rendering themselves deficient to the point of handicap, to make themselves better in one area.

I'm just completely speechless. I guess you are a person who does everything equally. You are not specialized in any area what so ever. I guess if you where a Barbarian you would sit down and study, and work on your social skills, just as much as you would on your combat prowess.

Makes absolutely no sense to me.

€: just want to add on that while 10 is the average, the stat array for a normal NPC is 8,9,10,11,12,13

So the average person in pathfinder has 1 or 2 abilities at -1.


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I don't understand everyones problem with "dump" stats.

Why do all characters have to be good at everything? Isn't it natural that strength and weaknesses alter from person to person what ever that persons goal is?

A warrior who focuses on fighting has not much use for charisma, he isn't trying to charm anyone. Same with a Wizard who doesn't care that he's physically weak, because he is strong in his mind.

Rolling stats can lead to some people having crazy high luck, or really bad rolls. Point buy ensures that everyone has a equal stat array, people can build what ever they want in a way that makes it effective.

I also don't understand the dislike for min/maxing. having characters that are good at what ever they want to be good at just ensures less PK and more fun all around.


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So your party is basically missing a dedicated

buffer/debuffer&cc caster and a face?

Sorcerer, done.


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Slacker2010 wrote:

A task is something it can do right then and there. Your service of one year is the very definition of an open ended task...

A few examples

"Guard this treasure chest." - Seems open ended to me because there is no actual way for it to finish guarding the treasure chest.

"Guard this treasure chest for 10 minutes." Is that open ended? After 10 minutes the service is fulfilled, there is a definite end. So I would argue that it's not open ended.

"Guard this treasure chest against the first thief." So the service can be fulfilled, after dispatching the first thief the job is done. I would argue that this is also not open ended. (But what happens if no thief ever shows up?)

Disagree or agree?

If you agree than it's simple a question of quantifying the amount possible, "Guard for 10^10 minutes." or "Guard against 10^10 thiefs."

Right out of the Bestiary 3: "Shadow mastiffs are popular guardians among spell casters capable of conjuring them via lesser planar ally or lesser planar binding"

So it is possible to conjure them up and have them guard something, I would say that means a service is not only limited to "Kill this creature now." In fact the spell seems to be built around the idea of "preparing" something. it's not a in combat spell for sure. So something like "Help me escape this dungeon!" should be legal.

If you disagree maybe you could give me some examples of your own what you would consider a doable service and what would be impossible.