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Black Handed Mage wrote:
My only comment is that on page 4 in the small box dealing with Pathfinder Unchained and Automatic Bonus Progression mentions information for epic scaling in Chapter 8. I did not find any information about Epic Automatic Bonus Progression in the chapter. If you could please add in the missing information that would be great.

Damn...knew I forgot something. And that's something I specifically footnoted, because I'll probably need it for a campaign I'm running right now.

I'll prioritize that edit and thanks for pointing it out!


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Roughly two years ago, I brought you version 1.5 of a project I've worked on for ages: the Pathfinder Epic Level Handbook, based on the old Epic level Handbook that Wizards published for D&D 3.0.

Today, I'm happy to announce that version 1.6 is live!

The main revision of this 185-page guide is the elimination of dead levels. As one forum user said of the previous version, "I couldn't imagine grinding for millions of xp to just get an extra skill point and 1d8 HP."

Now, every class gains something at every level, be it a bonus class feat (now working off a standardized system to avoid low-feat-progression classes actually ending up with more feats in the short term), an iterative improvement of existing class features, or new, epic improvements to class abilities or spellcasting.

Other improvements in this edition include:

  • Reworking the universal class advancement bonuses
  • A "prowess bonus" that classes automatically get, to improve the utility of iterative attacks
  • A ton of new feats, bringing the total up to 445 epic feats (nearly three times as many as in the original Epic Level Handbook), with a new organization scheme to make the section more convenient
  • A new epic armor quality and three new epic weapon qualities
  • A new, across-the-board focus on boosting damage output rather than to-hit bonuses, with the aim of making combat more dynamic and much quicker

    Please bear in mind that this is a living document and if you have any suggestions or corrections you'd like to bring to my attention, I'm always eager to improve what I can. That being said: please enjoy!


  • I apologize if the language came off as confusing.

    Excaliburproxy wrote:
    Also: I would need to know what follow-up attacks and finishing strikes actually do.

    A follow-up attack is merely any attack that is part of a chain that does not either begin or end that chain. And a finishing attack is any attack that ends a chain.


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    Good afternoon, everyone! Some of you may recognize me as the author of the Pathfinder Epic-Level Handbook.

    I'm here today to announce the next major Pathfinder supplement I've released:

    The Pathfinder Combat Styles Guide!

    Contained within this 86-page document is a new system designed for use in non-magical campaign settings. It introduces combat styles, which allow the non-magical characters to perform feats of prowess with weapons or skills.

    There are an assortment of techniques that players can learn to provide passive bonuses, active abilities, and even attack chains that can be pulled off in combat. There are 45 different combat styles divided into three categories:


      - Offensive combat styles are based around inflicting extra damage, gaining additional attacks, and crippling targets.
      - Utility combat styles focus more on self-defense, controlling the battlefield, and inflicting ailments on enemies.
      - Skill styles grant players new abilities or actions based on the skills or non-combat class abilities they're specializing in.

    This guide also talks about certain mechanics systems that the group I game with has developed over the years to make non-magic play work, such as a system of fatigue and wounds that compensates for the lack of healing magic and the combat styles' own passive AC bonuses to compensate for the disproportionate growth in BAB relative to AC at higher levels.

    The styles also include a lot of fluff from the setting in which they were developed, a campaign world created by our GM called Cerenth. Of course, these details can be changed to fit whichever world you would prefer to play in.

    While these combat styles saw fairly heavy use when they were played with in D&D 3.5, the adaptation to Pathfinder is new and required some fairly major rewrites in places, so I would be thrilled to hear any feedback or critiques you might have. I hope you all enjoy and maybe you'll find a place for this document around your gaming table.


    @Dryad Knotwood - A good question; I have never had a player who selected that feat, so I hadn't thought about it in the context of spell power.

    Just from thinking about it, I would probably say that they could spend 8 hours using their craft skill and then roll a check at the end. The result of the check would be the equivalent amount of spell power produced during that time.

    You can't take Master Craftsman until at least 5th level, so that will be our baseline. A decent universalist wizard at that level (let's say with an Int of 16) would have a spell power of about 16.

    A character with a maxed out Craft skill (and an Int of 16 with it being a class skill) would have an average skill check result of 21.

    By the time they're 20th level (assuming each of them dumped their 4 skill points into Int and have at least a +4 mental item, giving them an Int of 24), that would result in the universalist having a spell power around 214, while the crafter's skill check would only average 46 even if they picked up Skill Focus at some point.

    To combat this attrition, I'd put in a multiplier for the Craft skill. At 5th level, it's the result of the check x1. It increases to x2 at 10th level, x3 at 15th level, and x4 at 20th level. This would improve the simulated spell power to 184 for the 20th-level crafter.

    This does create a real disparity between the spellcaster and the crafter; the spellcaster is just better at higher levels and the crafter takes longer--always 8 hours, while even the 20th-level caster only takes a little over 3 1/2 hours--while the nature of the multiplier means that crafting ability is very poor at the levels right before an increase in multiplier (i.e., 9th, 14th, and 19th). This solution is only a kludge. I'll see if I can't come up with something a little more elegant.


    Several months ago, I released the Pathfinder Epic-Level Handbook, v1.4, complete with progressions beyond 20th level for all 11 core classes and 8 base classes. It provided epic spells, skill uses, house rules, and over 300 epic feats. It also included hundreds of magic items for epic level play.

    The handbook is back now with version 1.5 (PDF warning), which includes a half-dozen new feats, a few more spells, and a number of corrections and edits based on comments from this and other forums. But most of all, it includes more than 150 new magic items, including specific weapons and armors as well as a plentitude of wondrous items for every slot on the body. Wield the tooth of the orm king or gird yourself in the obsidian tor; bind your warrior in dreadnought cords, trap your foes with walking caltrops, or maybe just don a pair of forever pants.

    A new arsenal awaits your PCs, ready to add to any epic-level Pathfinder campaign.


    @David knott 242 - You are correct; that was an oversight on my part and will be corrected in the next edition.

    @banthalo - I generally allow Rings of Wizardry to be factored into spell power, so long as they have been worn for at least 24 hours.


    @Distant Scholar - Legendary Levels isn't an official Paizo product (so I had never heard of it until this moment), and from what I can tell, it approaches epic levels in a different fashion from what is presented here. I would suggest interested DMs look over both rulesets and go with the one that most closely aligns with what they want out of epic-level play.

    @Arcanemuses - That's actually a reallygood idea, though I may introduce feats to that effect rather than making it automatic.


    @Still Learning - Perhaps I should increase it to 60 or 70 + CL (or 80 + Spell DC). Illusions are one of the schools of magic I almost never use, so it didn't really cross my mind.

    @Morhin - Thank you! That is actually tremendously useful information to have. I'll have to see about incorporating it into future iterations of the Handbook.


    @edduardco - I have no problem with you posting this here.

    Balance in your proposal does seem as if it would be an issue; for instance, characters like fighters get not only a +1 BAB progression but their Weapon Training ability. By the time they hit, say, 40th level, they would have a 10-point advantage (not including feats only they have access to like Greater Weapon Focus) on to-hit rolls versus other combat classes. Not that many groups GET to level 40, admittedly...

    For all its weaknesses, I do think that the old D&D epic rules were right to flatten growth in BAB and Saves at epic levels. Over time and because of feats and such, the differences between classes will only grow more pronounced, but the system helps keep them a little closer for a bit longer.


    @clff rice - That is a valid point and one I've been considering a lot, actually. I know that having distinct character growth every level is a core principal in Pathfinder, but to be honest, I couldn't think of anything that wouldn't either (a) be trivial to the point of unimportance or (b) spiral out of control in power due to the open-ended nature of epic levels. I think the closest I got was the idea of "micro-feats," which were additional customization options you got on the off levels, where you could get 1-point skill boosts, a couple of extra hit points, DC bonuses against specific spells or conditions, and things like that, but I was unsure of how I felt compared to the power level of the rest of the stuff you were getting...

    @+5 Toaster - Ah, see, I didn't know that about Brother of the Seal. Prestige classes are probably the part of Pathfinder I've paid the least attention to. And as for Absolute Wildshape, you're probably right. Part of it is that I wanted to push some of the feats--like Cataclysmic Spell, Battlegod, and the Ascent line--out a bit further, to make epic levels feel 'deeper,' rather than almost everything being available right from the get-go. But I may have pushed Absolute Wildshape out a bit far, compared to what it does for you.

    @Evil Lincoln - I...I don't know what that means. Is a dot a good thing?


    @edduradco - I look forward to hearing any insight your own work has afforded you and to reading your project, when you decide to release it.

    @David knott 242 - I'm glad some of my work has helped give you ideas. There weren't a lot of mechanical changes between 1.3 and 1.4, so I imagine your comments are still valid and I'd love to hear them when you have a chance.

    @+5 Toaster - One of the biggest issues for me is making an epic feat then going and discovering it is too close to an existing non-epic feat. As far as the Awesome Blow feat, though, I'm not too concerned because it is only available for monsters and requires a dedicated action to accomplish. Launching Palm, meanwhile, allows you to make it as part of a regular attack action, so you could add it to the last attack of a full attack to send a foe flying away once you're done with them. Or, if you're surrounded, you could split up every attack in a full attack action (which could hit all 8 squares around you for a monk with Perfect Flurry of Blows) and clear the space around you of foes. Ultimately, I think Launching Palm is different enough to justify its existence and powerful enough to qualify as an epic feat.


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    Based on my experience with epic Pathfinder campaigns, I've written a handbook for epic-level Pathfinder. (PDF warning)

    These rules start with those from the D&D 3.0 Epic Level Handbook, but expand on areas that I thought were strong and replace others that just didn't work for me or my players.

    - Includes epic progressions for all 11 core classes and 8 base classes.
    - Includes over 300 epic feats, many focused on keeping non-caster characters both viable and interesting.
    - Epic-level magic now focuses on metamagic (with over 40 new, epic metamagic feats)

    This material is 100% free and I always welcome criticism and feedback. While I have run games using these rules and done my best to edit the document, there are doubtless both typos and oversights in game mechanics that I've missed.

    For my other Pathfinder materials (of which there is admittedly only one, right now), you can stop by my website: http://www.jessejackjones.com/pathfinder

    I hope you enjoy!

    Full Name

    Murob Dura Gash

    Classes/Levels

    Expert 1 / Hedge Witch 3 | HP: 27/27 | AC 11 (11 touch, 10 ff) | CMB +0 CMD 11 | F+4 R+4 W+8 | Darkvision 60 ft.; Per +11 (+13 for hidden objects) Init +7

    Gender

    Loot Tracker

    Age

    20

    Alignment

    NG

    Deity

    Pharasma

    About Murob Dura Gash

    Murob Dura Gash
    Female half-orc expert 1/witch (hedge witch) 3 (Pathfinder RPG Advanced Player's Guide 65, Pathfinder RPG Ultimate Magic 84)
    NG Medium humanoid (human, orc)
    Init +5; Senses darkvision 60 ft.; Perception +11 (+13 to find hidden objects (inc. secret doors and traps), determine if food is spoiled, or identify a potion by taste)
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    Defense
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    AC 11, touch 11, flat-footed 10 (+1 Dex)
    hp 27 (4 HD; 3d6+1d8+7)
    Fort +4, Ref +4, Will +8
    Defensive Abilities sacred tattoo[APG]
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    Offense
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    Speed 30 ft.
    Melee heavy mace +1 (1d8-1)
    Ranged hand crossbow -1 (1d4/19-20) or
    . . mwk light crossbow +4 (1d8/19-20)
    Special Attacks hexes (cackle[APG], fortune[APG], healing[APG], slumber[APG])
    Witch (Hedge Witch) Spells Prepared (CL 3rd; concentration +9)
    . . 2nd—glitterdust (DC 16), web (DC 16)
    . . 1st—cure light wounds, ear-piercing scream[UM] (DC 15), mage armor
    . . 0 (at will)—daze (DC 14), detect magic, mending, message
    . . Patron Healing
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    Statistics
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    Str 8, Dex 12, Con 12, Int 19, Wis 14, Cha 8
    Base Atk +2.25; CMB +3; CMD 12
    Feats Agile Maneuvers, Alertness, Combat Expertise, Deadly Aim, Extra Hex[APG], Extra Hex[APG], Power Attack
    Traits student of philosophy, unbreakable hate
    Skills Appraise +10, Bluff -1 (+4 to lie (as a result of using Int instead of Cha)), Craft (alchemy) +11, Diplomacy -1 (+4 to persuade others but not to gather information (as a result of using Int instead of Cha)), Escape Artist +5, Heal +10, Knowledge (arcana) +9, Knowledge (dungeoneering) +8, Knowledge (local) +10, Knowledge (nature) +10, Knowledge (planes) +10, Knowledge (religion) +10, Linguistics +8, Perception +11 (+13 to find hidden objects (inc. secret doors and traps), determine if food is spoiled, or identify a potion by taste), Sense Motive +4, Spellcraft +10, Survival +6, Use Magic Device +5; Racial Modifiers +2 Appraise, +2 Knowledge (local), scavenger[APG]
    Languages Arcadian, Common, Draconic, Hallit, Orc, Skald, Sylvan
    SQ finesse weapon attack attribute, orc blood, rules changes, witch's familiar (greensting scorpion named Joyful Union)
    Combat Gear potion of cure light wounds (5), potion of cure light wounds (CL 2nd), potion of mage armor (CL 2nd), scroll of blood biography, scroll of speak with dead, healer's kit; Other Gear crossbow bolts (25), hand crossbow, heavy mace, mwk light crossbow, sleep arrow (6), backpack, bedroll, belt pouch, candle (10), chalk (10), flint and steel, ink, inkpen, mess kit[UE], pot, silk rope (50 ft.), soap, spell component pouch, trail rations (5), waterskin, 366 gp, 1 sp
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    Special Abilities
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    Agile Maneuvers Use DEX instead of STR for CMB
    Cackle (Su) As a move action, extend the duration of other hexes by 1 rd.
    Combat Expertise +/-1 Bonus to AC in exchange for an equal penalty to attack.
    Darkvision (60 feet) You can see in the dark (black and white only).
    Deadly Aim -1/+2 Trade a penalty to ranged attacks for a bonus to ranged damage.
    Deliver Touch Spells Through Familiar (Su) Your familiar can deliver touch spells for you.
    Empathic Link with Familiar (Su) You have an empathic link with your Arcane Familiar.
    Familiar Bonus: +4 bonus on initiative checks You gain the Alertness feat while your familiar is within arm's reach.
    Finesse Weapon Attack Attribute The “light weapons” category has been renamed to “finesse weapons.” Characters can choose to use either their dexterity bonus or their strength bonus to hit with these weapons, no feat required. “Finesse” is also now a weapon attribute li
    Fortune (1 round) (Su) Ally in 30 ft can roll 2d20 for an attack, save, ability, or skill check (and take higher) once/rd.
    Healing (1d8+3) (Su) Heal touched creature, but each target can only benefit once per 24 hrs.
    Orc Blood Half-orcs count as both humans and orcs for any effect related to race.
    Power Attack -1/+2 You can subtract from your attack roll to add to your damage.
    Rules Changes By all metrics, Pathfinder is the most satisfying pen-and-paper game I’ve ever played. The class balance feels good, the math isn’t overwhelming, and the community support is outstanding. However, it suffers from one syndrome that haunts the crea
    Sacred Tattoo +1 to all saves.
    Scavenger +2 Perception to find hidden objects (inc. secret doors and traps), determine if food is spoiled or identify a potion by taste.
    Share Spells with Familiar Can cast spells with a target of "You" on the familiar with a range of touch.
    Slumber (3 rounds, DC 15) (Su) Foe in 30 ft falls asleep for duration, or until damaged or roused by ally (Will neg).
    Witch's Familiar (Ex) Gain the services of a special familiar that stores spells.

    Familiar:
    Joyful Union
    Greensting scorpion (Pathfinder RPG Ultimate Magic 232)
    N Tiny magical beast (vermin)
    Init +3; Senses darkvision 60 ft.; Perception +10
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    Defense
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    AC 19, touch 15, flat-footed 16 (+3 Dex, +4 natural, +2 size)
    hp 10 (1d8+3)
    Fort +2, Ref +4, Will +3
    Immune mind-affecting effects
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    Offense
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    Speed 30 ft.
    Melee sting +6 (1d2-4 plus poison)
    Space 2½ ft.; Reach 0 ft.
    Special Attacks poison
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    Statistics
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    Str 3, Dex 16, Con 10, Int 6, Wis 10, Cha 2
    Base Atk +1.75; CMB +2; CMD 8 (20 vs. trip)
    Feats Toughness, Weapon Finesse
    [b]Tricks
    Come, Seek, Stay
    Skills Acrobatics +7, Climb +7, Escape Artist +4, Heal +3, Intimidate -3, Linguistics -1, Perception +10, Spellcraft +1, Stealth +15, Survival +1, Use Magic Device -1; Racial Modifiers +4 Climb, +4 Perception, +4 Stealth
    SQ come, improved evasion, seek, stay
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    Special Abilities
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    Come [Trick] The animal will come to you on command.
    Darkvision (60 feet) You can see in the dark (black and white only).
    Immunity to Mind-Affecting effects You are immune to Mind-Affecting effects.
    Improved Evasion (Ex) No damage on successful reflex save; half on failed save.
    Poison: Sting - Injury (DC 10) (Ex) Sting—Injury; save Fort DC 10; freq 1/rd for 6 rds; effect sicken for 1 rd; cure 1 save.
    Seek [Trick] The animal moves into an area and looks around for anything that is obviously alive or animate.
    Stay [Trick] The animal will stay where it is.
    Stored Spells
    . . 1st—comprehend languages, cure light wounds, ear-piercing scream, early judgement, enlarge person, mage armor, mount, obscuring mist, remove sickness, remove fear
    . . 0 (at will)—arcane mark, bleed, dancing lights, daze, detect magic, detect poison, guidance, light, mending, message, read magic, resistance, stabilize, touch of fatigue

    Appearance and personality:
    The gray-green of her skin is a dead giveaway of her parentage, even though her other racial traits are rather muted. Her wiry body has a coiled spring tension about it,
    her shoulders slightly hunched and her eyes darting around as if seeking unseen perils. She wears her brown hair short, often hidden under a cap or hood. Her dress is practical - leather trousers,
    solid boots, linen shirt, pocketed vest and a multitude of pouches and containers hanging from her belt and from leather cords wrapped around her torso. A thick felt greatcoat is rolled tightly on top of her pack, ready to be used in inclement weather.

    Growing up wasn't easy for Murob. At best, she was tolerated. At worst... well, she has a few scars to tell those stories. She could have grown into a bitter, hateful woman, but somehow this did not happen.
    It could have been her father's determination and refusal to ever quit, always picking himself up after a stumble and carrying on with a shrug and a craggy smile. It could have been her mother's fierce pride in her children and her eminently practical approach. Or the unwavering support that Murob and her twin brother always gave each other. Or something in her nature, a streak of dogged optimism and unadulterated goodness. Or all of the above. Whatever the causes, Murob has grown into a competent and knowledgeable young woman always ready to lend a helping hand. She is not terribly social, but she has useful skills, so most people tend to overlook her quiet and withdrawn manner.

    Background and family:
    Murob's parents are an odd couple. Hakyd Gash, her human father, was a captain in Lastwall. He took part in many excursions into the wilder parts of the frontier, fighting against the foul creatures creeping from Ustalav and the relentless orc hordes. Which brings us to Murob's mother. Agrob Durgat found herself the chieftess of her tribe, the Cleft Heads, when the former chief got himself killed in a raid against one of Lastwall's border holdings. She reluctantly accepted the burden and starting preparing her tribe for the inevitable retaliation... which came in the form of Lastwall's army. Once the dust settled, the orc tribe was practically destroyed. Very few were still alive and among them was Agrob Durgat, now Hakyd's prisoner. On the long way back to Vigil, a connection formed between captive and captor, to the extent that, on arrival in the city, Hakyd was dishonourably discharged from the army for fraternizing with the enemy. He didn't give up though. Somehow, he managed to persuade the judges that Agrob had no involvement in the raid and that she even had tried to dissuade her tribesmen from it. Cast out from the army, Hakyd took up a career as a private guard for various businesses in the city, while Agrob was acquainting herself with the joys of motherhood. However, hostility towards their unusual family continued to grow, and soon after the birth of the twins they were forced to pack up and leave Lastwall. They travelled south, seeking a place to make their own and neighbours that were not inclined to greet them with axes and pitchforks. Two decades later, they are still searching.

    Murob Dura and her brother Durzum grew up under their father's strict supervision, while their mother taught them essential survival skills and the tribal magic she possesses. Hakyd and Agrob love them greatly, but parents and children both have difficulties expressing their feelings for each other. The twins are stoical, disciplined and dependable and, although their paths have diverged a little in the last few years, fiercely loyal to each other. Durzum is quite fond of learning and is determined to attend the university one day and prove himself. However, such things do not come cheap, and with age creeping up on him, Hakyd is no longer able to support his family as he once did. Thus, the family council decided to take a gamble and enrolled Murob in one of the expeditions departing for the Azlanti continent, with the idea that she will use her skills and resourcefulness to make a fresh start. The family would follow her across once she had established herself in the new land.

    RP sample:
    Thock, thock, thock went the pestle as it ground the dried bark into a fine powder. The rhythm was soothing, and before long Murob's mind was wandering, so she almost didn't hear the approaching footsteps, their soft fall overlapping with the dull sound of the stone on stone. She smiled without turning, for she recognized those steps.

    "Back from study already? I thought you wouldn't come home for a few hours yet..."

    As her brother comes into view, her smile freezes, then shatters. Streaks of dried blood cover half of his face and his clothes are scuffed and dusty. At the sight of her expression, he quickly raises a warding hand. "It's alright, I'm alright, I just... fell. Nose in my book, didn't look where I was going." He gives what he imagines to be a self-conscious, self-deprecating laugh, but his sister hears the pain.

    "'Zummy, don't lie to me. Not to me. I can clearly see that was no fall." She takes in the telltale gash in his forehead, the bruises around his wrists. "Who was it this time? The miller's boys? Fool man, he should know better. Who was it who helped his wife when she had that fever that almost killed her? Our mum did, that's who. And he lets his sons treat you this way. For shame."

    Durzum's face betrays his anguish and conflict as he kneels next to his sister and takes her clenched fists into his hands. "No, no, Mur-Mur, don't get angry. You know mum and dad don't like it when you get angry. They always say how we have to master our hearts and not give anyone the slightest reason to call us savages and beasts. We're people, we are. We need to show them we're just as good as they are. Maybe... maybe even better." He thinks for a moment about that one, then shakes his head. "No, I don't think they would like it if we were better than them. But we can be good, Mur-Mur. We can! We must!"

    Mollified, his sister squeezes his hands and gives him a kiss on his bloody forehead. "Alright, I'll be good. Hold still now, I'll clean off that blood and put something on the wound so it doesn't go bad. You're lucky that I just did a collection round today, topped up all my stores of herbs and such."