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Hello James my name is Cristiano from Italy. I have a question 4 you. It's hard to find Pathfinder material above the "basic" manuals in my country so I'm trying to understand many things with that I can buy/read in the internet in English but it is not easy for me to untangle certain mysteries in another language. What I would like to ask today is why deities except Aroden don't wander and interfere the material plane? Why he could do so many things undisturbed from other deities (evil ones)? Where the gods take their energy (And the one they distribute to their followers) from? And my last question is... How can someone break a prophecy? How prophecy works?

Ofc I mean B4 the age of lost omens. Let's pretend to be in that period, I make pharasma appear in a dream to a character with a prophecy that concerns him, good or bad. As a prophecy it should always come true, whether you try to avoid it or not, whether the character dies or not, coming back to life or with other systems. But so if he wanted to avoid it in every way, how should he do?

I was just thinking. What if the Eye of Abendego, the World Wound and the fall of Lung Wa aren't caused by the death of Aroden?

What if these things and Aroden's death are actually all the symptoms and/or consequences of something else?

Prophecy seems to be center to a lot of the stuff that surrounds the whole mystery.
In the Lands of the Linnorm Kings a lot of magic users simply die when their prophetic powers fail them.
The prophecies of the Lirgeni also fail, causing them to be unprepared for the destruction of their kingdom and apparently also causing some of them to commit suicide.
One of the most high profile prophecies that fails, is obviously the one about Aroden.

But do the other prophecies fail, because the prophecy about Aroden failed?
Or is the prophecy about Aroden's return just one of many prophecies that failed?
And if so, what or who is causing the prophecies to fail?

And how does the voyage of the Lirgen's Glory figure into all of this?
Are the Dominion of the Black, the Emissary from Beyond and the deities of the Dark Tapestry involved? Specifically Aucturn and its strange relation to Golarion?
Did the crash of the Divinity draw the attention of the Dominion of the Black to Golarion, starting the whole series of events?

What about Starfinder's Gap and the disappearance of Golarion?

OMG U ARE RIGHT! https://starfinderwiki.com/sf/Rovagug

ROVAGUG disappeared with Golarion when the GAP started! It's all connected! Starfinder is just a millennia after that! And some other deities are lost too!
So Rovagug has been released and golarion destroyed but they must have defeated Rovagug cause if it was not so he had destroyed the universe. Aroden with his death given a chance to umanity to break the prophecy. Golarion is destroyed, but not the entire universe. Thats why in golarion deities are not telling! Cause they know golarion ll disappear! That's why the starstone is here, to make players arise as new gods!

Thinking about it starfinder deities that are no more are:

Erastil
Torag
Cayden
Irori
Gozreh
Nethys
Gorum
Norgorber

And probably the gap is for hide the names of the "God-heros" that fought and died too (the players)

Hello James my name is Cristiano from Italy. I have a question 4 you. It's hard to find Pathfinder material above the "basic" manuals in my country so I'm trying to understand many things with that I can buy/read in the internet in English but it is not easy for me to untangle certain mysteries in another language. What I would like to ask today is why deities except Aroden don't wander and interfere the material plane? Why he could do so many things undisturbed from other deities (evil ones)? Where the gods take their energy (And the one they distribute to their followers) from? And my last question is... How can someone break a prophecy? How prophecy works?

Maybe ther's one for each deity.. And maybe the Gozre's one is where the Abendengo eye is...

I believe canon is that all the gods except Pharasma were totally caught off guard by Aroden's death/disappearance but the Lady of Mysteries is not inclined to answer questions.

Well, I suppose Nethys knows, because omniscience, but your odds of getting an answer from him are probably worse.

If I'm not mistaken, I remember reading a j.j. post. He said that pharasma and the other deities do not answer the question. All divination inside the eye of abendengo show only the remains of a ship (that's written in a manual companion). Ther's also a prestige lass (Storm Kindlers) followers of Gozreh that thinks it's his manifestation and can develop strong powers related to the storm. While the boggards of the Sodden Lands believe it is connected to their patron god, Rovagug. I think it could be both. But how and why i dunno. But my question is:

If Aroden was killed, who had the strength to do so and why did he/she not turn out or make other actions after getting it out of the way? If Aroden was attacked, how could he not be able to send a "help" request to other good deities or a message to his clerics?

Answer: No enemy at the time was free and had the strenght to kill Aroden (supported by Iomedae) and if he was killed there would be no reason for Iomedae and the other deities to hide the culprit. They are hiding it because they are preventing something.

I think that is how things have gone: Aroden and the other deities found a way for the prophecy of Rovagug to not come true. And that method involved Aroden's death because the prophecy concerned him directly. But noone could know what a propecy break would have caused. Rovagug or his followers could have try to come out from the earth-prison causing disasters and Gozre fought them and maybe sealed the "breach" with his storm. Maybe here ther's an other of the lost "Star Towers" the deities used to seal Rovagug. "Many Star Towers now lie forgotten" paizo say. "but some are known:
The Tower of Slant Shadows
The Vale of Shadows
The Star Tower of Castle Scarwall
The Star Tower of Vekheen"
But there are more. who know how many...

And ofc if thats the reality of the facts, deities cannot tell to golarion "Hey! Rovagug is coming back, we are going to sacrifice Aroden to prevent it, ok?!"

That's the only reasonable reason why they could want to keep it secret

J.J. Said something like "there's something ongoing but we we'll not reveal it". And he said "there are hints so someone can find out but I don't think enough has been published yet" he said some years ago. But one thing is certain... Something is going on behind the scenes. And we can find out if we gather all the clues. But surely they are scattered among the publications and it is up to us to scrape the crumbs. I am unfortunately a bit limited by language because I am not a native English speaker and many things have not been published in my country, but I'm trying.

Thè eye of abendengo appeared right above Lirgen, the nation of astrological divination.... A coincidence?? I don't think so.

An other think I would like to ask to j.j. Is: Is it easier to kill a god when he is in his "human" form?

What do you mean Fumarole?

Dosgamer wrote:

Is there a reason the other gods are silent about the connection of the Eye and the death of Aroden? Divination magic (such as Commune) doesn't reveal the answer? Do the other gods not know what Aroden was doing before his death?

My theory goes like this.

Rovagug doesn't just destroy stuff; he is like an anti-god, and he feeds on the divinity of other deities. One reason the gods don't directly intervene in mortal affairs is that any time they spend on the surface of Golarion causes some of their divinity to get siphoned into Rovagug's cage, helping him grow gradually stronger so he might eventually break free.

Aroden should have known this, and his allies tried to reason with him, but he got prideful about his triumphant return. So much like how the gods came together to seal Rovagug away, they had to come together to stop Aroden. It's like Murder on the Orient Express: they all killed him.

Yes it's been 7 years but still we can't find out so... more have been published maybe some new hints come out.

NSpicer wrote:

When can you tell us more about Pharasma? You'd indicated in the past that the goddess does spring from your original campaign world...and that you had a lot of backstory on her.

I also remember you saying something about the clergy of Pharasma having a strong presence in Korvosa, which would make that faith particularly interesting to those wanting to play clerics in Curse of the Crimson Throne.

So, toss us some more info on Pharasma when you can...

Thanks,
--Neil

Pharasma does have a cathedral in Korvosa, so there'll be a little bit more coming out about her during Curse of the Crimson Throne.

She's also the goddess who judges all of the dead souls. If you die, your soul goes to Pharasma's Boneyard in the outer planes, which sits atop an impossibly tall spire that pierces the Astral Plane from the Outer Planes. Atop the spire is an immense graveyard, at the center of which is Pharasma's palace, where she sits on her throne and judges each of the dead souls that pass before her; there's an endless line of them winding out of her throne room through the surrounding graveyard. In many ways, the Boneyard is like purgatory; a place for you to come to terms with your death (or in some cases attempt to escape). When a soul is judged, it gets sent on to heaven or hell or wherever it's supposed to go. Those who worship Pharasma and do so well get to join her staff in her palace in death. Those who worship her poorly or for whatever reason mess something up (such as some, but not all heretics and blasphemers) get buried in the Boneyard itself. Which is not a pleasant fate. Agnostics and athiests do NOT get buried here, but I'm not really sure what happens to them in Golarion. They might not end up going to the Boneyard at all, but in my homebrew world the agnostic is judged by Pharasma against his own nature; if he wasn't true to his own nature he goes in the graveyard, but if he was, his spirit gets reincarnated into the Material Plane. Athiests don't go...

I heard she use agnostics and atheists to feed Groetus cause he repel them and so she keeps him away from Boneyard cause he's getting closer, apparently attracted to the souls of faithful mortals. It seems they are the only 2 gods that was here from beginning and that at the end of world when Pharasma will judge last soul she will met with Groetus that is suppose to "clean" all the existance and go for an other one. I read somewhere Pharasma came from a previous reality, and after that one will be destroyed a new Survivor will escape the destruction to recreate the cosmos. Maybe only the stronger god can escape? But that bring me 3 questions: 1) Will Pharasma "die" along with the end of that reality or she can escape again? 2) Is Groetus even stronger then Pharasma? 3)Is it all a race to those who "scrap more souls" before the arrival of Rovagug, without the knowledge of the same gods? Something like determining the most worthy to create the next universe?

So my guess is that after earthfall failed the aboleths resorted to plan B resurect Rovagug but Gohzreh was like "ah hell no" and threw up the storm as a safeguard to some gol-ghan ruins. Thus the reason its patrolled by adaro devotees of gohzreh

"The Eye in Religion

Why not both truth? As u say could be

"Magical divinations focused on the center of the Eye (since navigating there is impossible due to the rough seas and high winds) have discovered a large eye of calm whose waters are choked with debris" James Jacobs et al. (2011). The Inner Sea World Guide, p. 32
What if the twister was made to destroy a boat with someone or something inside and preventing it to be found?

what about the mistery Pilgrim's Cave? its said there are passages of Aroden's holy text, along with numerous carvings depicting the twelve guises of Aroden, in the foothills of the Kortos Mounts. "The carvings are thought to be centuries old, yet still contain a faint echo of the dead god's power." Kyle Baird. (2013). The Confirmation, p. 12-15

Almost EVERY adventure saga has something to do with Aroden! There are hidden hints! revolves all around him!

I'm not so big on that. Even in our own solar system we have eternal storms (Jupiter's red spot for one). So I don't think we need to jump straight to sentience. But lets see who gains from the death of Aroden. Cheliax comes under the auspices of Asmodeus. Sarkoris becomes a gate to the Abyss. Lung-Wa falls. And then there are two natural disasters both in Garund.

Can we graph the impact points? maybe they have something in common geographically?

No i agree with you there MUST be a link. I think there is at least one more god that knows whats going on and keeping it a secret. There are hints we don't see or there ll be not jet published.