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shroudb wrote:

I haven't yet found a way that changes Harmonize to anything else that "3 actions for 2 cantrips" since the Metamagic trait on it forbids using it alongside things like Lingering and etc.

Speaking about Lingering, I think it's maybe the best of the composition metamagics since it basically frees you 2-3 actions in the following rounds.

Imo, I think positioning is a core aspect of a Bard since unlike most others you have an excellent 3rd action that you generally don't want to spent on Striding. Hence, whatver increases your moving speed, hence decreasing the move actions required to go into an optimal location, is good.

I suspected it might be worthwhile to, for example, on the opening turn: 1) Harmonize, 2) cast a composition such as Inspire Courage or Inspire Defense, 3) use the free action for Inspire Heroics or Lingering Composition to then cast whichever of the two you didn’t cast with action 2 and turbo charge it. I’m not sure how the action from Harmonize interplays with the free actions required to use Inspire Heroics and Lingering Composition however as neither have the Metamagic tag.

I definitely agree that Lingering seems to be the best of the focus abilities thanks to it’s appearance right at level 1 and its consistent usability.

Regarding positioning, Bards seem to me to be defined by their “secondary” occupation in this regard. A shortbow/ranged cantrip Bard might want to prioritize compositions and spells that keep them and fellow ranged attackers effective at range with buffs like Inspire Courage/Defense and debuffs like Black Tentacles, while more melee/touch spell oriented Bards might prioritize Dirge of Doom and House or Imaginary Walls and all manner of close-up spells to debuff, shape the battlefield, and provide flanking support for heavier hitters.


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I was wondering if anyone had tips for getting the most out of the action economy for Bards, particularly Maestro muses. With their unique composition cantrips on top of Occult spellcasting, it seems actions come at an increased premium, and economizing as much as possible is potentially more important for them than the other casters.

Considering feat options like Harmonize and Quickened Casting, everything cool on the Occult spell list, as well as the focus spells Lingering Composition and Inspire Heroics, the Bard has a selection of ways to get compositions ready and occasionally supercharged, but deciphering the ideal combinations and timings seems a bit tricky. Thank you!


Arachnofiend wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:

A big flaw with the design of the monk in the CRB is that there's really very little in-class which rewards you for investing in wisdom (probably because spell points were converted to focus, which was very limited, too late in the process to develop new monk stuff).

So I could see an option in a later book, whether a stance or a feat or a class archetype that lets you replace "Dex" with "Wis" for Armor Class (can't have both, or it would break the math) up to the Dex limit on your armor.

Of course that changes "you have to invest in dex" to "you have to invest in wis" but you're going to go have to invest in something. The 14/14/14/14/12/10 human is probably not a great character in most classes.

I think I'd prefer a stance (perhaps an archetype) that gives you an unarmed strike that functions as a spell attack. That'd solidify wis-first Monks as a viable option; wis-secondary Monks can be fixed just by printing more ki powers.

D&D 5e just published a playtest version of such a monk called “Astral Self” that is WIS-focused and it’s pretty sweet looking. It’s more or less a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure monk and it seems like a lot of fun. I’d like to see PF2e do something similar.