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Hyperion-Sanctum wrote:

LilithsThrall wrote:

And, now, having shown that you DON'T EVEN KNOW what a relevant comparison would look like between a Monk and another class, you have no basis to argue that monks are weak.

No no no, i dont know what a relevant comparison would look like that is acceptable to YOU.

You claim the Monk only has to worry about Dex and Wis. So make a Monk focused on Dex and Wis, fill out his skills as you see fit, and we'll see what he does

That's not how a relevant comparison is done. The way a relevant comparison is done is that you figure out a set of requirements and then you figure out how well the two options meet those requirements.

You keep showing over and over again that you can't identify what the requirements should even be. So, there's no basis for making any relevant comparison.

You can't even clarify what -you- think a relevant comparison should look like. You said to hit % and avg. damage, but when I asked if you think that that's the only thing that's relevant to a character in a campaign, you were unable to say "yes".

Because that isn't the only relevant thing.

But fine, lets do this.

Get your hit % at 50% or above
Stunning Fist DC at 50% or above
Post your stats
Post your AC
POst your CMB and CMD
Post your feats and tactics

The baseline is again, CR=CL

LilithsThrall wrote:

I didn't say that I needed an example character first. What I -did- say is that the things that a relevant comparison needs to look at need to be identified and justified.
Sorry if that wasn't clear.
As for criticizing characters, the most recent character I criticized was over the ridiculous notion of being permanently enlarged, not carrying scrolls. That was several days ago.

What do you mean by relevant comparisons?

How do you think he got enlarged? scrolls of course.

Relevant comparisons seems to mean: my CMB beats your CMD, he's not a front line fighter though, my stunning fist makes my other attacks better (all the time without posting the save DC), i dont need con cause not a frontline fighter, i dont need strength because im not trying to take the fighters place because im not a frontline fighter, but combat maneuvers!

My friends and I like it so much we're about to bring our own stuff to the table.

And i must say it's unlike anything else out there.

I should ask you the same question. Do you actually believe your own argument? Does someone need to be a freak in order to handle the monsters in Pathfinder? No. A fighter, for example, can be quite competent and not be a freak. So, when the choice has to be made between whether to have a freak or a non-freak handle the job, the non-freak is going to be preferred. Don't believe me? How are gays coming along in the real world military? Or in many local police forces? Soon after the monster army isn't literally tearing down the city walls, the freaks who fought that monster army off are going to be cast out too.

You heard it hear first: LilithsThrall said gays are freaks.

Gays are excluded from forces for a number of reasons. They're also shunned in public most notably because the Bible said it's wrong. The Bible also said that women are unclean and that slavery is just.

But I'm done with you and your nonsensical uneducated uninformed scenarios. Wait, you're a republican too arent you? (had to take the shot)

Back to why the Monk got the shaft and what brainstorming can be done with possibilities we have at our disposal now to fix the problem.

Simply stating that Monks aren't bad and using the reasoning of, well you're obviously playing Monk wrong isn't a real argument.

Maybe the Monk just has to be the 5th man. (until UC i hope)

Exactly, it's a DM call. Why not shoot him an e-mail or a phonecall?

Because I'm looking for a RAW/RAI answer. This isn't for a DM, it's literally a lapse in the rules I'd like clarified.

Also, do the knuckles get enhanced as a pair, or separately?

Thank you everyone for the help. I really appreciate it!

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