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Ouranou loved that post some of it does sound doable and I am going to name my pet Tarrasque Terry. Yea yesterday the other player that is interested in helping with this and the gm were all brainstorming this and we were discussing using a cacodaemon since they mentioned that they convert souls into stones. I have not looked into this but it does sound interesting.


Thanks for the explanation Cavall. I don't know man it seems to me that if you took that "role-playing" to the extremes I am dealing with I would argue that you are no longer good either. I would argue most people are neutral and would have written that on my character sheet had it not been for some of my characters darker tendencies. To me to be good you must be a pillar of the community setting examples and realizing your issues. Which you can have issues. To me it's coming off as I am good because I said so.

Yes I am looking to screw with that player. After the campaign has ended it is something I want to be able to do and accept it will probably end in failure. Now through some miracle he may do something in game to shift my characters point of view of his but at this point my character hates his. Outside the game me and the dude are totally friends we go drinking and play other games together. Also this is a very long way out there since we are barely into book 3 of the campaign if even that far.

Talking to one of the other players about this plan and how people have mentioned the EL could just be resurrected. He mentioned that I could capture his soul. So does anyone know how I would go about doing that since I am not playing a spell caster? Some enemies I have encountered have had gems to capture souls in but I imagine a EL might be to strong to keep in any of those.


I am fine with losing I just want to try because it sounds awesome. Hell even if its just like I form the party and we get smited leaving the bar that's still pretty funny. Next time though I will ask how to kill the evil equivalent of something. Still very surprised at the hate for evil characters bad guys are fun.

Also good to note that racism is good if they come from a bad bloodline. Don't know if you could hear my eyes roll at that.

Someone want to explain what Ayers is? All I could find googling it is some lady sandy ayers with a pathfinder moving company.


Thank you that was an informative post. I do like your idea of a bunch of bad guys forming a team to kill a "god". Though I am finding it very weird that people on here seem to get real upset at the idea of this. This is the rule of cool that drives this game. Tell a story and see what awesome stuff the players do with it.

Heck just last week my group was playing Deadlands and things went south and the mad scientist blew up his Electric flame thrower killing him, my character and another and we all thought it was awesome. These are games we are playing them for those cool moments.


This seems to be getting off topic though. All I wanted was some answers on how to kill an EL only real answers to this seem to be look into making my weapon legendary and that I will most likely get smited hard.


Maybe I misunderstood but we were told the teiflings are slaves of the demons.

I even told my group to let them go. I am only evil because my character is a serial killer in his background fluff I actually chose it to try and give my character some "character" I wanted to play the good guy with a hidden dark side.


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Andostre wrote:
With kindness.

Well that took me way too long to get. I read this yesterday and was wondering if you started a sentence and didn't finish it and was just going to edit your post.


This seems like a game issue to me I am actually good friends with the people in the group we just disagree on morals. Being a game issue I am seeking a solution in game. So I am seeking revenge in game for a issue in game. I am against PVP it just hurts groups in general and is almost never warranted. This should all wrap up after the story is finished.

I think another issue is since we are playing wrath of the righteous I approached it as a morality based campaign where the rest of the group approached it as they are the good guys vs the obviously evil guys.


Oh I am totally seeking revenge against this paladin I wasn't trying to hide that. Though I feel the revenge is best sought but dealing with his unjust god. Sorry if it came off some other way. Revenge is the motivation but killing the EL is the goal. I have had multiple discussions with the GM on this topic of what is passing for "good" acts in this campaign and it has gone nowhere. I intend this all for after the campaign and the characters have gone their separate ways. Even if its not permanent I would like to knock that EL down a peg.

I understand you are not into killing gods but that just sounds awesome to me. Gods are just ultimate bosses to me. Look at God of War its a game about killing gods.


Brolof wrote:
Think you can tell us what acts the Paladin has done that should have caused him to fall?

Just the big ones I can recall off the top of my head are

- chased down and murdered a fleeing army of slaves
- pretty much a slap on the wrist for crusaders rounding up and murdering teiflings
- continual racism against teiflings (i am playing a teifling)
- forcing a friendly evil npc to choose between death or brainwashing (forced alignment shift)

That last one was the one that has pushed me over the edge. Recently one of our "Good" characters cast suffocation on me and the only reason I didn't die was the npc saved me.

currently our party sits at
LE witch slayer teifling (me)
LG Paladin of Tanagaar
N? Ranger (murder hobo agrees with paladin on everything)
N? Bard (sides with other two min maxed to be a walking lie detector)
CN Druid (agrees with me regularly not a yes man like the others)

We also had a N? G wizard that quit the group the session before after trying to kill me for killing a possessed npc to get the demon out. Our party has multiple forms of resurrection.


The specific Empyreal Lord is Tanagaar. My motivation is pure revenge against our paladin who worships him. The "Good" aligned party members I feel have crossed too many lines without falling from grace with the latest evil act being the final straw. Since those gods are not doing their job they need to be dealt with. I do not want to derail the campaign so this is all plans for when the campaign is over and the characters have gone their separate ways.

Alright I will look into taking the legendary item ability. Hopefully playing a sneaky type will help in the long run.


First off new to the forums if this isn't the place please tell me where to post this.

My group is currently playing through Wrath of the Righteous though this has nothing to do with the campaigns story. Though it will be the guide for what my max power level will be at the end. I was curious is there anything special you have to do to permanently kill an empyreal lord. I understand they are in the mid 20s to low 30s for cr. Though should I manage to win a fight against one I don't want it coming back for round 2. I am playing a witch killer who is currently level 10 mythic 3. This has recently become a goal of mine.