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Except that Dark Menagerie grants you access to a partially charged Wand of Flying Lightning.

Touche, redward. Definitely didn't think about that. But expanding retraining to archetypes, feats, traits, skillpoints, classes etc is game changing.

You know, I've read over Ultimate Campaign, and I didn't really see anything at all that struck me as "video-gamey".

Except the retraining rules where suddenly a fighter can spend 5 days to learn a new feat in place of an old one by spending a paltry amount of gold. I ask you, what does gold have to do with a culmination of a lifetime of training and experience?

Then again, every time anything at all is ever changed, someone always has to bring up this very same complaint. I've seen it so many times that as far as I'm concerned, it's approaching Godwin's Law territory; first side to play the "video-gamey" card loses the debate and we all move on to better uses of our time.

Other people are not me. Link me to one comment I've ever made that complains about things being too like a video game. Cliched sayings or expressions have a basis in reality, that's why they are cliches. Its not my fault that OTHERS misuse them.

And it doesn't help that Tim's the one making the complaint; I don't think I've ever seen a comment from him anywhere REMOTELY positive about anything.

That would be your problem, not mine. Yr the blind one not me.

Tim, this is NOT (just) your game. This is OUR game. This is EVERYONE'S game. People need to be willing to make certain concessions about what is and is not allowed, so that we can ALL have fun.

Did I say it was my game? This is a thread the campaign staff asked us to create to share our opinions. You don't like my opinion, state one of your own, don't take it out on me.

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Ummm... you can't take 10 on a caster level check.

But if a GM is unaware that there are hard limits to what a Perception check can do, then yeah, really high mods do become more troublesome. :/

You post was well thought out and useful until you decided to slide this rude comment on the end.

You undercut yourself like this often, Jiggy. I want to listen to your advice but you make it hard.

Pirate Rob wrote:

Both Thornkeep and Bonekeep have at least some encounters that as described there is no way to detect until triggered by certain conditions.

That said the high perception and taking 10 is likely causing you problems actually...

Not that I was here but here's the situation I imagine...

Even when a good judge prepares a scenario, and prepares it well, there are some things they will be better prepared for than others.

By coming in with a high perception and taking 10 and 20 everywhere you are saying "I don't want to participate in the finding things game, I just want to see all the things."

This rubs some GMs the wrong way, other just won't be prepared to deal with it, because they spent their prep time drawing awesome maps, or reading up on the feat chains, or practicing voices or painting minis or whatever instead of thinking about what happens when a player scouts ahead.

What is a gm to do? well in the case of perception an easy solution is just to ignore there. There's enough wiggle room in perception to declare things out of line of sight and thus not perceptible etc. This lets the GM run the game how they expect it to go without being confrontational or telling a player they aren't allowed to do something.

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wow... just... wow.

I don't know what to say to this...

I know what to say, I love you Pirate Rob!

~ means approximately.

Me, I'd rather spend 16K on a +3 weapon, but that's just me.

Ultimate Campaign's ruleset change the very fundamental nature of what the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game is. For every rule that fleshes out a player character's backstory it has two rules that turn player characters into video game avatars.

Keep your interchangeable skill pods away from my verisimilitude.

It has no place in the organized play campaign.

Holy is +2. So unless you plan on shelling out ~20,000gp that's a bad idea.

20k is a massive amount of your total wealth earned in a career.

I'd suggest Menacing. One of our players has it on his Bear Animal companion. It makes his AComp appreciated by the table as opposed to resented.

So:

Mike Brock: All conditions must be cleared by the end of the scenario.
Addendum: If the character cannot afford to do so before making any purchases, and the condition is not so debilitating as to make the character unplayable, the condition carries over to the next scenario.

That does nothing to address the corner cases of abuse that originated this kerfuffle. Your suggestion still relies on the GM to make the call.

I think that Andrew's area is a rare exception to the norm.

I'd rather turn away a player then have a 7 person table.

I'd rather turn away a player then have a GM run cold.

Standards vary.

Bottom line, this scenario takes some time to prepare for and run. Skipping most of the scenario does the players a great disservice. At least none of the players at Thistledown's table were Lantern Lodge.

So even if the chronicle is held, it wouldn't count Debt of the Kirin? Gah, most annoying chronicle ever.

^^^^ QFP.^^^^

I feel like folks are bringing up issues that my earlier post would handle just fine. Is there something I missed?

Yes, we all love the sound of our own voices.

This would have the effect of changing "must fix things by the end of the session or be reported dead" to "must fix things before the character is played again."

No because the GM from the first table wouldn't be able to sign off on the second chronicle. Talk about a nightmare for record keeping.

Can we add "Spoilers" to this thread title? I just had something spoiled for me.

Retraining will be the death of the Pathfinder Society Organized Play Campaign as we know it.

I can see the other side of the looking glass and I don't like it one bit.

I'm just waiting for the OP to ask where they can buy a wand of lightning.

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