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I'm not seeing anything in Green scourge that suggests they can't still spontaneously cast Summon Natures Ally. The ability text itself doesn't say it removes the SNA ability and it's listed as altering spontaneous casting not replacing it so the original spontaneous stuff is still there, right?

Having recently reached mythic archmage myself I find the question in need of answering and I'm inclined to go with the "prepare as cleric" school of thought.
Why? Because wizards don't have 'spells known' merely the physical limitation of their spellbook. If you remove any reference to a spellbook from the Wizards class then that's what you get.
As has been pointed out above its not exactly game breaking anyway.

The truth of it is that I've been having doubts as to the possibility of this venture hence why I sought other opinions. Make no mistake I'll be giving it my all regardless... I'm just hoping to gauge the scope of it all,

Replies have been really helpful so far and now I'm off to sleep on this before I make any real choices about what to do.

"During your travel from ORIGIN to DESTINATION over the next TIME you see INTERESTING DESCRIPTION and along the way ENCOUNTER at LOCATION and ENCOUNTER at OTHER LOCATION. You learn INTERESTING TRIVIA and whilst the PREVIOUS ENCOUNTER was taxing none of you are worse for wear as you approach DESTINATION."

What I meant was to build in the random encounters to narrative description of journeys. This way they players know that the world is alive and full of danger but random encounter are very seldom lethal. They would however know that whenever I did make them work through a seemingly random encounter that it was infact... not.

It's like telling the players how they have to hack their way through zombies to reach a necromancers layer as opposed to making them fight it. I mean, they're zombies so after a certain level it's pretty much auto win. Maybe tax them a few charges of a cure wand.

I... have no idea what just happened.

I have used GMPCS on several ocassions and I will admit that I've found that they can really add to the experience. However I have made myself a few rules which govern how I play these npcs.

1) They are not the heroes of the story.
They are never recognized as such. They assistants, guides and support for the players.

2) Their role must not overlap with a player character.
If the group has an arcane caster then they don't need me throwing a second one in. This is the mechanical corollary to point 1.

3) They cannot be the face of the party.
In the unlikely event that they have social skills they do not use them, I am not here to play with myself.

4)They guide but do not steer.
With a gmpc I have a voice in the party whom the party trust. Through this I can make suggestions providing it is in character. The dmnpc will never object to whatever the party majority decides to do. EVER.

5)They consume no resources.
They will not take treasure rewards nor will they require purchase of consumables. If the party has stretched resources the gmpc shall be poor, if everyone is fully stocked on consumables so are they. A pc should never give nor receive significant amounts of gold from this character.

6)They have a place and a purpose and then they leave.
Normally a GMPC is deployed by me into groups of less than 4 in order to shore up the numbers. When the 4th seat is filled the GMPC becomes an NPC and steps back. The GMPC always has a story reason to exist and a clearly defined goal, once fulfilled they retire and a new gmpc will emerge if still required.

7)They are optional and at players request.
I always ask smaller groups if they'd like to have a gmpc in order to give the group access to a more rounded set of tools. This allows players to be what they want without fear that their lack of a divine caster will be their doom.

8)They act as the players require in combat.
Whilst I dont normally pass the sheet over to the players the gmpc will follow direction in combat. This lets the players, as a team, strategize and plan without fear that I will have the gmpc misbehave for no real reason.

An example: In a certain AP my party had released an evil outsider from imprisonment in exchange for information. This information was provided as the outsider wanted the adventurers to succeed in order to vanquish those who imprisoned it.
Shortly after the party got TPK'd. Now this wasn't their fault entirely as we'd recently lost the 4th seat and they'd decided to soldier on without them. They didn't want a gmpc as...well... they got a lot of the npcs around them killed.
So I decided that this outsider would arrange their ressurection so they could continue playing. The players were having fun and we wanted the game to progress, but they needed a frontline figher.
Enter the DMPC.
I supplied the party with a dmpc figher whose life was sworn to the outsider for mysterious and unexplained reasons. The fighter explained they were now bound to ensure the parties success and follow every reasonable order given to them.
My players immensely enjoyed this as now they had a moral quandry and their debt to this outsider hanging over their head. Meanwhile I got to create and experience mid-level fighter play and very slowly develop this unique slice of story alongside the players.

DMPC's are wonderful things. Just remember that the focus should ALWAYS be your players and their characters.

So, a few points on how I planned to approach this.
First of all xp and levelling is all handled on a milestone system wherein once the players reach the point where the AP says they should be X level they then become X level.
Second random encounters will be entirely cinematic, as will travel which should cut out abit of the fluff.

Now I've run AP's before. Infact i've run ROTRL to almost the very end. So I know that what i've put foward here looks almost impossible and that's really why i'm seeking advice.

As has been pointed out the biggest issue is actually that the GM has to do as much prep upfront and will be constantly reading ahead and looking up as the game progresses. This isn't a huge issue for me as I work well from pre-written material and have a bunch of tablets for a GM screen all with companion apps.

I appreciate people sharing their experience and timeframes and they all lineup with the research i've already done. I'm still going to give it a try though as this is a special event for a friend.

What I'm taking away from this is that I should focus on a more 'linear' AP and just trim the fat wherever I can.

Hmm, it's a poser for sure, but any further advice would be happily received.

My question is in the title.

Basically I have been asked by a friend to GM an adventure path for a special event and it has been suggested that we try taking one from the START to the FINISH. Not in one session obviously but we've got a little over a week to do this in. I can't remember the numbers but I was quoted something along the lines of assuming there'd be ~120hrs of play in that time.

Now, assuming my players are veteran gamers and have their characters planned 1-20 and dont get bogged down in rules or looking things up, which AP's are possible?

Because honestly, i've got my doubts at it being achievable. I do, however, want some other opinions on this.

The current shortlist as requested to me is, in order of preference:
Way of the Wicked (Not Paizo but still an AP.)
Wrath of the Righteous
Rise of the Runelords

I also need to think about how i'd go about prepping and running such an event... but the AP choice comes first and I feel it of critical importance.

My group, a rather new to PF bunch but solid RPG fans, are about 1/2 through The Skinsaw Murders and about to head to Misgivings. We've got a Gnome Sorcerer, Shoanti Druid and Generic Human Fighter with the additional options to call NPC support when needed.

Here's the funny bit and it's about them piecing together the clues about who the Skinsaw Man is, I never saw their top suspect coming.

See the Gnome is a suspicious sort. He's really getting into the Thassilonian stuff and basically became Quink's apprentice shortly after meeting him. Having a mentor who leaps to conclusions and uses flimsy evidence has not been good for him. After the onset and hints at an undead foe he becomes convinced it's Chopper returned from the grave in some foul manner. I have it explained that Chopper's remains were incinerated, scattered and all his possessions destroyed as i'm hoping to not derail into what I know is a dead end.

Now at was at this point that I accidentally fanned the flames of suspicion. A lot of the local knowledge my players' characters have is from patrons at The Rusty Dragon. They happily tell tales of the terrible murdermaw who eats ships whole and goblins who'll raid towns just for their firewood as it's still burning. Wild exaggerations, ofcourse. Getting them to talk on the Late Unpleasantness is a somber thing but the tall tales still creep in. The popular version of Chopper's Demise is that Hemlock himself storms the house alone and duels the axe-wielding fiend as the house burns.

So, the thought process in my dear gnome player goes like this:
We're investigating an Undead Murderer. Serial Killer. Chopper? Can't be Chopper. Why not? He's dead, Hemlock Killed him. We've found 3 bodies now. The Mill, the con-men and the ghoul farm. Hemlock keeps sending us out looking but we're not making much...
...
...
Hemlock sent us to that farm, coincidence? Hemlock is a kind of poison. Chopper's last victim was the previous sheriff. Hemlock confronts Chopper alone. No real evidence other than a few terrified guards that...
HOLY CRAP WAS HEMLOCK CHOPPER?! ARE WE WORKING FOR A SERIAL KILLER?! WHAT DO WE DO!? BUT WE TRUST HIM! WE'RE DOOMED IF THIS IS TRUE!

The weird thing is, with the world as I have presented almost everything points to Hemlock being a serious contender. The only flaw is he's not undead and has no motive, though i'm sure if he was an evil undead mastermind he'd have solutions to that.

I swear next session is going to be interesting... I think I might need to rush them along to Misgivings, but they've mainly been taking order from Hemlock so far!

When I attempt to check out or view cart, I get your generic error page:

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"Click here to return to paizo.com"

It does not appear to be just me, from other messages today. But, if it helps, the one item in my cart is the brand spanking new Eyes of Empty death pdf.

Thanks, Scott

The "Spirit Object" hex doesn't have the attack trait.

That might be intentional - treating the target object as if it were an animated or summoned minion for one round.

Or it may have been left off in order to avoid confusion if one casts the one-action version that doesn't attack, with the assumption being that the two-action version was "obviously" an attack spell.

Or it might have been an oversight, since in the two-action version the attack roll is made using the caster's "spell attack roll."

The answer to this question will held determine whether or not Baba Yaga witches should even bother considering carrying a sling.

So, here's a Primal Druid build. What do you think?

Everybody wants to be a troll. And this build aims to do just that! But not only is this build about being a troll, but it's about being a surprising troll! A troll that does some not-very-troll-like things, and which takes interesting advantage of it's troll-like abilities, and is PFS legal!

This build includes some multi-classing, which does mean that BaB is going to ntake some serious hits – but being a troll makes up for that. And the build includes a lot of source-books – sorry.

The first thing to understand, is that to be a troll you're really going to want to be a Goliath Druid from the Giant-Hunter's Handbook, and you're not actually going to get to be a full troll until level twelve. So let's go through the build, level-by-level!

Kaikura is human. He starts with the Versatile Human racial trait from the Advanced Race Guide – which takes away the bonus feat and the bonus skill point, but gives him two ability scores at +2. You could make this build dumping intelligence to 7 in order to get Charisma to 14 (Charisma being the spellcasting stat for two of the one-level dips), but this is presented with intelligence at a minimal 10, and keeping Charisma to 11 (barely enough). Those two +2 attributes are going to be Strength and Wisdom!
Strength 14/16, Dexterity: 15, Constitution 12, Intelligence: 10, Wisdom: 14/16, Charisma: 11
Strength is medium-high because you really do want that strength way up there when you are playing a low-BaB troll. Wisdom is high because it is your primary spell-casting stat, but also because (as with the high Dexterity) it will help boost your armor class (that one-level dip into monk comes early). And Dexterity is also high because who doesn't want to be a stealthy high-initiative troll?
Starting traits are both from the Advanced Player's Guide: Reactionary (because you want to be a high-initiative troll), and Magical Knack Druid (because you need to make up for all those one-level dips).

Druid is your favored class, and you're going to take that +1 hit point every time (after all, you dumped intelligence but kept constitution high for a reason – your priorities are already set).

Level 1: Druid (Goliath Druid) 1
Feat: Toughness (You don't have any big hit-die classes, and while you may get regereation, you'll be pretty embarrassed if you keep falling down flat in the middle of combat)
Nature Bond: Rage from the Advanced Player's Guide (a reasonably decent spell list, but largely about the level 8 ability to rage – it'll be awesome to be a ranging troll monk at level 11! And the level 1 ability, destructive smite, isn't bad, and scales up.)
Skills: Make sure you're on your way to having a +5 Knowledge Nature by level 5
At this level: You're a pretty good level 1 melee druid! +0 BaB, but +3 to hit from strength! +4 damage if using a two-handed weapon. 13 hit points. 12 AC without wearing any armor. And a couple spells! And your domain spell is “True Strike” which pairs pretty well with Destructive Smite! And look at that – Goliath Druid has given you “Enlarge Person (self only)” on your list of spells – and you can turn any level 1 spell into “enlarge person” spontaneously!

Level 2: Monk (Flowing Monk) 1 from Ultimate Combat.(This is all about armor class. Your main spell-casting attribute as a druid is Wisdom, and the monk dip lets you add that attribute to armor class. But it's also neat on it's own.)
Monk Bonus Feat: Improved Reposition Advanced Player's Guide (There are a couple reasonable choices here; but Improved Reposition will help you with your “redirection” ability – and at higher levels when everyone is flying, reposition can be more generally useful than trip.
Skills: Make sure you're on your way to having a +5 Knowledge Nature by level 5
At this level: You're still a combat druid, but a little boosted with a few tricks. Your un-armored armor class went up by three points, your hit points went up by six, you've got unarmed strike, you've got flurry of blows, and you have the “redirection” ability which lets you try to trip or reposition an attacker once per day, before s/he swings. That magical knack trait you took means that your effective caster level is 2 (even if you don't have as many spells as a 2nd level caster)!

Level 3: Druid (Goliath Druid) 2
Feat: Combat Reflexes (Your BaB is only +1, no power attack for you yet! Instead, we're going to give you more chances to hit with that high dexterity. You'll really love this feat when you have troll-length arms.)
Skills: Make sure you're on your way to having a +5 Knowledge Nature by level 5
At this level: Hey, look, more spells! And combat reflexes! And you actually have a BaB of +1! You're not particularly hit stuff, but at least you're getting 2nd level spells next level.

Level 4: Druid (Goliath Druid) 3
Attribute bonus: +1 Dexterity
Skills: Make sure you're on your way to having a +5 Knowledge Nature by level 5
At this level: Hey, level 2 spells! And your domain spell is “Bull's Strength” which will help make up for your BaB problems. And your armor class is one point higher because of the dexterity raise – but your unarmored armor class still isn't great.

Level 5: Sorcerer (Eldritch Scrapper from the Advanced Class Guide) 1
Feat: Shaping Focus from Ultimate Magic (Here you are aiming to be able to turn into a troll, and you've been one-level dipping into other classes? This feat fixes that – upping your effective wild-shape druid level by +4, up to your total level.)
Bloodline: Find something that feels right to you. I took Div (from People of the Sands), but that was because of the character background. Since you're something of a self-buffer, Destined isn't bad.
Sorcerer Spells: 1st level Mage Armor, Shield (this is one of the reasons for the dip, and you will be buying wands), 0 level your favorites not on the druid list (Dancing Lights, Message, Open/Close, Prestidigitation)
Skills: At this level, you need+5 Knowledge Nature (to qualify for your feat).
At this level: Your BaB is +2 at 5th level – well, you're doing as well as a wizard. But you have some Strength to make up for it, and when enlarged you can get some nice weapon damage. This would be a weak level, except that you just learned to Wild Shape! You can't be a troll yet, but you can be Deinonychus, Dimporphodon, or Veolciraptor for up to 5 hours! All three have scent, and one of those forms has poison and can fly (the other two run much faster). You'd be tempted to learn Natural Spell soon, but don't – very soon you will be wild-shaping into giants and trolls – and they have natural speaking ability. And you also have sorcerer spells – which you are going to use to boost that sorry armor class! And here's the best part – eldritch scrapper gives you access to Martial Flexibility, so four times per day you can get Power Attack or Dedicated Adversary (from the Dirty Tactics Toolbox) or any other combat feat for one minute!

Level 6: Druid (Goliath Druid) 4
At this Level: Your Wild Shape just became more interesting! Two times, for six hours each. And you can take the form of a giant (meaning you can look like a troll, but you still can't regenerate). But this still beats your Enlarge Person spell! You'll get a nice bonus to strength, which you can really use with a BaB of +3. When wild shaped, you are likely not using your flurry of blows any more – you'll be using the natural weapons of your troll form.

Level 7: Druid (Goliath Druid) 5
Feat: Improved Initiative Fastest giant in the West!
At this Level: You just got level 3 spells!

Level 8: Druid (Goliath Druid) 6
Attribute Bonus: +1 Wisdom
At this level: Well, you are a giant with a +8 to initiative, a pretty good AC, and the ability to cast spells!
At this level: If you decide that you never need 9th level spells, you could swap one of these boring druid levels out for a second level of Monk. That'll get you evasion (very nice against fireball when you are a troll), and Unbalancing Counter (which can make the rogues happy – and you because of your lousy BaB).

Level 9: Druid (Goliath Druid) 7 (or 6)
Feat: Power Attack
At this level: You now have level 4 spells. Unless you don't, because you went with the extra monk level.

Level 10: Druid (Goliath Druid) 8 (or 7)
At this level: If you didn't take that level of monk, you now have the ability to rage (otherwise, it's waiting for next level)!

Level 11: Druid (Goliath Druid) 9 (or 8)
Feat: Divine Interference from Ultimate Magic
At this level: You now have level 5 spells (yay). Unless you don't, because you went with the extra monk level. And you certainly have the ability to rage!

Level 12: Oracle 1 from the Advanced Player's Guide
Attribute Bonus: +1 Wisdom
Oracle Mystery: Life, Oracle Revelation: Life Link (You knew this was coming – and at the same time as your ability to regenerate) Oracle Curse: Lame (losing 10 feet of movement is unpleasant for a monk. But you have reach and can deal. But gaining immunity to fatigue is awesome for your ability to rage. And you get that at this level.)
Oracle Spells: 1st level Divine Favor, Shield of Faith, 0 level your favorites that you don't memorize as a druid (Bleed, Guidance, Mending, Scrivener's Chant from Seekers of Secrets)
At this level: Oh, wow, this is what it was all about! You now get lots of those troll abilities to go with the troll form. Your wild shape now gives you +4 Strength and +4 con. You can rage, and your oracle curse lets you rage cycle. Life link lets you share your regeneration – everyone loves your troll hugs. You've got reasonably powerful Druid spells (several of which will be Protection from Energu and Resist Energy – so you can be a safety troll, who doesn't lose regeneration). You have both cleric and wizard spell-casting, as well as druid, so you can use all kinds of wands to buff yourself and others. Your BaB is still terrible, at +6 – but you have troll strength, rage, and martial flexibility to make up for it. And with 5 wild shapes a day for 12 hours, you don't feel bad about shrinking down into some other form when the halls are too narrow.

Level 13: Druid (Goliath Druid) 10 (or 9)
Feat: Extra Martial Flexibility from the Advanced Class Guide
At this level: More martial flexibility, because why not.

Level 14: Druid (Goliath Druid) 11 (or 10)
At this level: Your wild shape got even better. Still more pluses to strength and constitution.

Level 15: Druid (Goliath Druid) 12 (or 11)
Feat: Reckless Rage from the Advanced Class Guide

Level 16: Druid (Goliath Druid) 13 (or 12)
Attribute Bonus: +1 Wisdom

Level 17: Druid (Goliath Druid) 14 (or 13)
Feat: Extra Rage
At this level: Rage when you want. Twenty rounds, with rage cycling, should cover you.

Level 19: Druid (Goliath Druid) 16 (or 15)
Feat: Blessed Striker from the Advanced Class Guide
At this level: Hey, you have 8th (or 7th) level spells! And a BaB of +12 (or +13 if you took that 2nd level of monk)! It's actually not bad at all, with all those sweet strength bonuses! You just rewarded yourself with the Blessed Striker Feat, so that your bite claw and rend attacks are aligned!

Level 20: Druid (Goliath Druid) 17 (or 16)
Attribute Bonus: +1 Wisdom

Magic items:
You'll be getting wands. Wands that make it harder to hit you are great. Mirror Image is fantastic.
You'll be getting a belt. You may want to go Strength belt all the way, or you may want to boost constitution and/or dexterity as well.
You'll be getting a headband. Probably just Wisdom. If you cared about the other two mental attributes, you wouldn't have dumped them. Look into the Shifter's Headband from Ultimate Equipment – for only a little more cost on your Wisdom band, you can squeeze more utility out of your wild shape.
Rings of Protection from Energy (Fire and Acid, please) are things of beauty.
You have good saving throws, but cloaks of resistance are always good.
You definitely need an amulet of mighty fists.

Referenced Books that you need:
Advanced Class Guid
Advanced Player's Guide
Advanced Race Guide
Dirty Tactics Toolbox
Giant Hunter's Handbook
Ultimate Combat
Ultimate Equipment
Ultimate Magic

Other referenced books that are optional:
People of the Sands
Seeker of Secrets

Wow, well I was excited to see the 9-00 boon, and have made a character accordingly!

It's pretty clear that under RAW, any spellslinger must still pay full price for ammunition, regardless of ranks in craft alchemyy. To wit

Ranks assigned to Craft skills are used only to perform Day Job checks, not to craft mundane items, with the following exceptions.
• Alchemists can use Craft (alchemy).
• Gunslingers can use Craft (gunsmithing).
• Investigators can use Craft (alchemy).

I do wonder if there are any plans to FAQ this, so that those with a spellslinger boon and craft alchemy can make their own ammunition ingame. Meanwhile I'll keep dropping points into craft alchemy, and toting around my molds and tools for melting lead, and for mixing saltpeter sulfur and charcoal, while paying Guaril Karela's exhorbitant rate for bullets powder and cartridges.

Many thanks, Doctor Boem

If a GM runs a sanctioned module, does s/he have the same options with that chronicle sheet that a player who runs a pre-gen has? In particular, may the GM (like the player of a pregen character)

. . . opt instead to apply the Chronicle sheets earned with a non-1st level pregenerated character to a 1st-level character with the amount of gp gained reduced to 500 gp (or 250 gp for characters using the slow advancement track).

And while talking about applying a higher-tier adventure to new first level character . . . What about sanctioned modules that award more than one XP? RAW says "amount of gp gained reduced to 500 gp" but common sense suggests "amount of gp gained reduced to 500 gp per XP awarded on the chronicle sheet." (Or, 1500 gp if applying a full 3-XP chronicle sheet from a sanctioned module of higher tier to a new level 1 PC.)

Thoughts?

Hello, Pathfinders.

With this PFS character, I took advantage of the loophole, making it possible to achieve early entry to the Mystic Theurge career, by using special abilities and racial abilities to qualify. The Tiefling character qualified after getting one level of Sorcerer and two levels of Oracle. Three levels were needed to get the skill requirements; being a Tiefling and able to cast Darkness, I qualified under the "cast 2nd level arcane spell" requirement, and being a wood druid with "Warp Wood" I qualified under the "cast 2nd level divine spell" requirement.

The old version of the FAQ, with the exact wording permitting this, is here: http://www.unseelie.org/assorted-rpg/Gretlin/FAQ.pdf

The last time I played this character was November. But in February the FAQ changed, making my build retroactively illegal.

So before I play this character again (soon, I hope), I am trying to figure out:
What must I re-write?
What may I rewrite?

Follow this link to see my actual character sheet

So, in season 6, if you had a faction-based trait, and that faction no longer exists, what does one do?

My presumption is that one keeps the trait, because one *had* been part of that faction. But it's important to several of my characters.

Thanks

If a player with GM stars wants to use one for replay then
1: How/where (if anywhere) is it recorded that he used one of his replays? (I am imagining that it would be on the chronicle sheet for the replay)
2: How does the GM reporting the event arrange for credit to be given to the character and avoid the reporting system recording "--" prestige points and the "Player has already played scenario . . ." message?
3: Is there anything else I need to know (or need to tell my GM) if I want to use one of my GM star replays?

I have an interesting problem and puzzle. Perhaps people can help.

As suggested above, it has to do with oracles. In particular it has to do with oracle curses.

The problem:

A PC oracle has the deaf curse.

You cannot hear and suffer all of the usual penalties for being deafened.

As to the game definition of deafened (which is pretty straightforward, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to quote):

A deafened character cannot hear. He takes a –4 penalty on initiative checks, automatically fails Perception checks based on sound, takes a –4 penalty on opposed Perception checks

The fore-mentioned deaf oracle is in the woods with his friend. The oracle casts "Comprehend Languages" and is under it's effect for ten minutes per level.

You can understand the spoken words of creatures or read otherwise incomprehensible written messages. The ability to read does not necessarily impart insight into the material, merely its literal meaning. The spell enables you to understand or read an unknown language, not speak or write it.

Written material can be read at the rate of one page (250 words) per minute. Magical writing cannot be read, though the spell reveals that it is magical. This spell can be foiled by certain warding magic (such as the secret page and illusory script spells). It does not decipher codes or reveal messages concealed in otherwise normal text.

Nowhere in the description of Comprehend Languages does it say or suggest that the spoken character has to hear the spoken word.

I'm putting my ruling in spoiler brackets, so that people have a moment to think on this problem before reading how I ruled, because I want others to have a moment to think about this before being biased by my own answer.

What say others? I am interested in a ruling for PFS Organized Play.

Many thanks, Scott