![]()
![]()
Ectar wrote:
In general, "wood" directly encompasses the lifecycle of trees as a whole (seeds, trees, flowers, fruit, etc), natural growth (which doesn't generally translate to elemental matter, but this is why it gets vitality blasts), things that grow on trees (moss, vines), etc. It's broader than just the stuff that makes up tree trunks is the main point. ![]()
Exemplar's Horn of Plenty ikon. The Feed the Masses transcendence is cool. But it has a critical snag - you must use the item on an ally. This is awkward, because it means that if you want to use an item on yourself and be in another ikon you basically lose any benefit from it's immanence effect (you need a net of two actions - one to draw and drink, one to shift immanence). But if you use it on an ally, you get to do it all for one action. This is really awkward and feels bad, and it doesn't seem like a huge buff to allow Transcend on yourself so much as quality of life. ![]()
exequiel759 wrote: I would be really happy if we had a "spell attack-like" action for the wand too. It would ideally require 1 action to use and it would nice to pair with the fling magic action for a nice 2A+1A routine. It would also be really cool for a "wandslinger" feeling which I think is what people wanted the wand to be. Would also allow the wand to proc weaknesses. Always seemed odd it didn't really interact with that. Edit: Actually, would that be enough of a buff to the wand if it just got to trigger the weaknesses from Exploit Vulnerability? (Especially as that damage would be added after halving on successful saves) ![]()
You get some edge cases with "can a bastard sword be a weapon implement", though that's kind of pointless because Empowerment gives the same damage bonus as two-handing it anyways. But I suppose you could free swap to a 2h grip in that case (I'd allow it anyways) Whether bows can be a weapon implement is a gray area. They definitely don't work with Empowerment though, which is greatly limiting on them. Shuriken give the same damage output without hitting grey areas because of that (just use a thrower's bandolier), if not the same range. Rotary Bows are also interesting - d8 1h crossbow so it has very good damage at the cost of reload actions. There's definitely room to buff a few of the weaker implements (bell could use it, for instance). Mirror's Adept tier having friendly fire is awkward for society play, even if the actual damage is negligible (if the implement wasn't already pretty good I'd suggest the shards should trigger Mortal Weakness/Personal Antithesis, but) ![]()
taks wrote:
Quoth the raven, "Evermore!"? ![]()
Finoan wrote:
Thaumaturge is literally "build-a-class" with the implements. They all grant potent abilities and let you decide what you want to be able to do on top of the basic chassis of "hit all the weaknesses with 1h weapons". It's solid, but the choice paralysis is real. Summoner is martial and a spellcaster fused together and sharing actions. Possibly the class with the absolute most options in any given turn, even if a lot of enemies can be dealt with via "Boost Eidolon, beat them to death" routines. Oracle... I haven't played or built and I know it has a lot of moving parts to track with focus points and curse progression and such. The core PF2 classes are mostly pretty simple, sure. But I don't think they're dramatically simpler than Soldier is, outside of like... Fighter. ![]()
Nah, the pedantry about assurance not counting as a roll so it just randomly doesn't work with things is dumb. "Roll diplomacy" is just shorthand for "make a diplomacy check". Paizo has page limits and saving space matters. Even if you're being that pedantic, One For All says you may roll Diplomacy. Assurance says you may take a fixed result instead of rolling diplomacy. I choose to roll diplomacy and then to replace my roll with a fixed result, done. This is like people arguing that Risky Surgery can't be allowed to work with Assurance because a non-scaling 4.5 extra HP healed is unfair or broken somehow. Let's be honest, at level 9 a Wit Swashbuckler has, at minimum, a +15 with their master Diplomacy. Add in +4 CHA and they get a critical success 75% of the time already. Assurance is nice, but quickly falls off since in four more levels they have +23 and critically succeed on anything but a natural 1 (and one level later, even a natural 1 is a success) ![]()
I view Soldier as kind of an attrition deal - you're dealing consistent damage to multiple enemies every turn while making it harder for them to hurt the party (both by soaking damage and by inflicting Suppressed). It doesn't really have a direct comparison... but Kineticist is probably one of the closer ones. But mechanically, Operative is closer to Fighter (well, it's Gunslinger in space really, but). ![]()
Well, there's only 1 common 2h parry weapon to begin with - the Bo Staff. (Which, to be fair, is a solid weapon), and at level 2 you'd probably be taking the upgrade to your parry AC anyways. Level 4 has fun toys like Area Armor and Proud Nail. A reach weapon definitely takes Reactive Strike at 6. Or possibly you go the Hampering Strike chain. Group Taunt at 8 solves the action economy issues, or Mighty Bulwark to just say no to reflex saves in general. Guardian has a lot of solid feat options that don't care about shields, so I don't really see an issue there I guess. Even completely ignoring shields or parry I can easily pick feats I'd be happy with all the way to 20. (Well, the level 14 feats feel lackluster, but that's just generally true, and there's enough lower level stuff to consider anyways) ![]()
It does also occur to me that Minefield could, say, fence in a large/huge creature in a way where any move it takes sets off multiple mines, since they're allowed to be adjacent to each other and all. The damage ceiling for the spell with a coordinated party or the right circumstances is incredible. ![]()
Gortle wrote:
Ah, I saw the instant minefield spell already in the list, so just assumed :P. ![]()
Chems are in a rough spot I feel though. Bullets are dirt cheap. It's bookkeeping, but I mean, dirt. cheap. Often have good magazine sizes too. Like even the rocket launcher? 8 shots before Reload 1. Batteries are the most expensive but they're refillable and they come in bigger sizes at higher levels. This means they quickly have very big functional magazines since you get double base capacity at 2 and quadruple at 4. Most weapons are only using 1-2 charges per shot so 40 charges will last a long time. The least bookkeeping as well - like two batteries at level 4 and you're set for life. Chems? Chems are magazines you can't reload partially. They're much more expensive than projectiles but the only advantage you have over them is bigger tanks at higher levels. Smaller tanks than batteries at all tiers but level 4 and the pricing is wonky. So you get the bookkeeping of bullets and some of the cost of batteries. And while the level 4 ones have the best credits/shot I think in the long run you'll spend more on chems than batteries if you're playing from 4-10 the whole way since those two batteries I mentioned? You get a whopping 4 tanks of 40 chems each for that. Best case, 80 total shots of a weapon before chems cost you more. ![]()
Soldier's level 12 Death Blossom feat interacts strangely with battery/chem weapons (i.e. most area weapons currently). It expends your entire magazine and requires a full magazine. Because of how batteries and chems work, this means the cost of firing it in ammo is cheaper if you use the smallest capacity ones. Now, the full magazine requirement basically means your previous turn needs to end with a reload for it regardless, so nothing stops you swapping in a fresh 10 credit battery... but it is odd. It also interacts poorly with Overwatch of course. (because if you Overwatch you no longer have a full battery for your 3-action attack). Truthfully, I'm not even sure it's particularly good as an attack anyways since giant emanations are really hard to use without hitting allies, and it otherwise only offers a -1 penalty to the saves against it. And you don't get to Primary Target. But still, the interaction with batteries/chems is odd. ![]()
So, I can't see anything preventing me from, at level 8, installing both Flaming and Frost on a weapon at the same time, since level 4 weapons have 2 upgrade slots. At many levels, this means the damage potential for SF2 weapons is higher than PF2, where property runes are constrained by the tier of potency rune. (SF2 weapons start at 1 slot and gain 1 with each tier of striking rune equivalent upgrade) ![]()
This might be better clarified in GM Core when it drops, but there don't really seem to be clear guidelines on when you can Fly in zero-G or not. Obviously, Sarcesians have explicit flight in vacuum, but otherwise it seems unclear and the rules don't have any distinction between wings or jetpacks or the various innate fly speeds like Contemplatives. In a similar vein, Untethered's definition is circular - you're untethered when you have no way to move in an environment and then Untethered says you can only use move actions that say they work in your environment, but nothing actually seems to say "You're untethered if...". So if you're Untethered you're now stuck as Untethered (even if gravity comes on! After all, Stride doesn't explicitly say it can be used on land in gravity). But if you aren't Untethered nothing says you can't use your move actions so you're not Untethered? ![]()
Xenocrat wrote:
There's also the cantrip that reloads a weapon with magic bullets for 1 action. (They only last for a round, but...) ![]()
Christopher#2411504 wrote:
Depends on the traits, since Two-handed d10 is weaker than a bastard sword. ![]()
Justnobodyfqwl wrote:
Ooh, that's a nice trick. Soldier, naturally, works well with grenades because the whole class is kind of built around area fire (and auto-fire). It's debatable whether you get a Primary Target strike with a grenade, but if your GM allows it that's pretty strong. Even without that, Bombard has nice benefits like Suppressed even on success (compared to Failure for other soldiers) and excluding allies from the explosion. ![]()
I've always found immunity to nonlethal odd in function to begin with. Like, I'm punching a skeleton for 1d4+4 B, but it doesn't matter that I have +4 strength if my fist is technically nonlethal? It won't break the bones? That doesn't make any sense at all. It seems like the intent, in a lot of cases, is to say "you can't knock this creature out via nonlethal damage", but because of how it's written it just means "nonlethal effects don't damage this at all". Generally speaking, there should probably be a rule somewhere that says creatures immune to nonlethal damage treat it as lethal damage instead unless stated otherwise. Although I suppose in the case of the Arc Emitter at least, it's not like there's an actual penalty for shooting it lethally since -2 to hit doesn't affect the DC. (Soldier's Primary Target aside, anyways) Edit: And apparently misremembered undead using it. Still, it's always felt odd as a whole, because taking the -2 to hit to... what? You're already swinging the weapon as hard as you can, but suddenly it'll dent something it couldn't before? An overkill mod or something would be nice, but I just kind of dislike the rule as a whole to begin with. Nonlethal feels like a drawback more than a benefit too often, since there's rarely a practical difference between the two, you can generally just ask the GM to apply dying rules anyways to let you stabilize after the fight instead of fussing with nonlethal attacks, etc. Heck, the fact that only the last hit to a creature matters at all is odd. (Sure, you lopped their arms off with a sword, but then you bonked their last 2 HP with your first so they're not bleeding out!) ![]()
kaid wrote:
The only reload 2 weapons are the machine guns, which are automatic, not area. (As written, only half of Bombard works for automatic weapons - ignoring allies in the area is limited to area weapons as written. Which may not be intended) ![]()
Chem tanks don't have linear scaling on their cost/capacity. The level 4 ones are by far the most efficient. Compare to batteries having straight 1 charge/credit costs. Singing Coil being Expend 5 feels excessively high? Depending on your interpretation of Primary Target a Soldier could empty their entire battery at level 1 in a single attack. Seems like it should be 2 the same as other area weapons. ![]()
Hmm. Soldier's level 1 feat choices feel very lacking for Bombards. Almost literally useless, in fact. Burst of Strength - You need a free hand to use Athletics. And also strength investment. You're already investing in dex and con, so...?
![]()
As written - Armor Storm soldiers can't use Rocket Jump because the former says they're never in the area of a ranged attack and the latter requires them to aim so they are. Mystic's Network Shield doesn't say they can't reduce damage by more than they have left in their Vitality Network. If they're running on empty it's basically free massive damage reduction that way? ![]()
Dennis Muldoon wrote:
I'd say you need to half the cost per shot, considering you'll sell batteries for better ones eventually. Since unlike bullets they're not actually consumed. On a related note though - I'm noting on Nethys that weapons using chems for ammo list magazines of 10, while chem tanks are in increments of 8 per tier? So that doesn't match up right. (It's also confusing for higher tier weapons to have the same magazine entry even though the rules for batteries/tanks indicate you'd actually have larger capacity if you use a level-appropriate one) ![]()
Shadow Snap focus spell - If I'm reading this right, I can cast and sustain it one turn, and have it Attack and Stalk. And then on future turns it can Attack Attack Stalk for 3 actions? It says "each time you Sustain" and you can sustain multiple times a turn, so... Feels like it should probably have some restriction because otherwise this is kind of incredible damage per action, especially as Stalk presumably ignores MAP. Actually, I also note that it doesn't use a reaction for Stalk either, which I'm not sure is intended? Also raises a question of what happens if you Stalk multiple times (probably doesn't work functionally, but could use clarification) This kind of seems nuts to me, considering the damage is 1d10/rank on a hit. The Stalk is conditional, but... it's at range and they basically can't avoid triggering it unless they're doing nothing at all, so... Edit: Actually, isn't Heightened (+1) significantly stronger than normal for this kind of effect? Spiritual Armament is Heightened (+2). (Although if you change this, I'd suggest reworking the spell to use d6 for damage so it can stay +1 heightening - damaging focus spells having +2 is really awkward because unlike normal spells you can't swap them out on the off-ranks easily to keep up with damage) ![]()
alsyr wrote:
Yeah. One of the easier justifications imo is a versatile heritage like Nephilim that's already connected to the divine. Demigods as the descendants of actual gods (and similar - Hungerseed's oni heritage is totally valid too imo, considering Golarion's oni are corrupted kami) is a standard of folklore. ![]()
I think, as is... Water, Fire, and Wood all have a lot of appealing options across the board. Metal and Earth feel very lackluster at low levels. Metal armor's crit-shattering is frankly a bad idea. A big part of the issue for both elements is having bad level 4 impulses, though Metal feels worse off than Earth (with its level 1 options being the worst armor, two damage impulses, and then the questionable toolmaking impulse, and having less appealing 6/8 impulses than earth too). Air feels like it needs a little help too (the level 1 impulse spread is unappealing, but boomerang+four winds is at least a useful pair to take, it's just... that's the only pair you'd take?). Level 4 is only really Lightning Dash, but at 6+ it opens up. So overall it's a bit ahead of Earth (though... Earth does have the option of a strength build going full kinetic melee under heavy armor, even if their impulses are less appealing). Going 2+ elements cleans up a lot of the issues for the less appealing elements... as long as you don't try to include Metal, since it's the most lacking in early utility options. ![]()
Pronate11 wrote: Instead of solving the issue with expensive magic ammo, what if there was just different kinds of mundane ammo? Using starfinder examples but you can probably find bow equivalents, but have rubber bullets or a stun setting which deals much less damage but makes the opponent off guard on a hit. High powered armor piercing rounds that can go though cover but need bracing to fire accurately. Tracer rounds that make your next shot more accurate, but also helps shots against you. Make it an action to swap between the ammos, and you have the basis of a very interesting ranged combat system. Melee builds need to either attack or do an effect but are fairly safe doing them, while ranged builds can do both at the same time at the cost of risky drawbacks. It honestly feels strange that alchemical ammo even needs activated. Feels like it should be more like bombs where striking is the activation. ![]()
For activated ammo, there should just be a rule that says you can activate ammo as part of an action spent to reload it. The biggest issue with it is that it's absolutely useless on anything with reload 1 because of the action economy losses. A second issue, I guess, is that it overwrites property runes, but that's a smaller issue by comparison. In terms of base damage... ranged weapons are basically comparable to finesse weapons in melee (class-specific damage boosts aside). The noticeable gap is with strength weapons (or Thief). That +4 flat damage is basically the equivalent of a striking rune (for anything less than d10 weapons), it's a significant power gap. ![]()
Yeah. Not being able to use special attacks with mythic force just feels wrong. And then for spells you can't use metamagic (because mythic spells are themselves a metamagic basically) and you have to spend an extra action entirely (which... oof, since that's a lot more expensive than a mythic strike is, blocks 3-action spells, and also causes grief for kineticists under the common "fix" of using mythic spells for impulses, since it wrecks their economy to not have the action to channel after a 2-action overflow, etc) It almost feels like it would be better if it was just a free action, trigger: you make a strike/cast a spell/impulse/etc, and you spend the point to use mythic proficiency. ![]()
ElementalofCuteness wrote: I wish you guys would have explained how Titan's Breaker's Transcendent worked as a Exemplar Ikon, it is far more confusing then Noble Branch. It feels off as neither my DM or me can fully understand it. If it is just a single weapon die then it is pretty nearly weak... As far as I can tell, it's just Vicious Swing basically, yes. That said, it does kind of need clarification because as written it's still unclear. Is 4+1 die instead of 2/die, and does not scale with weapon dice count? Or does it mean 4 per weapon die plus an extra die? Or does it mean 4 and a weapon die per weapon die (which would be legitimately insane at the higher tiers, so I'm sure it's not this one) Of course, the problem is that the first option (where it doesn't scale at all with dice) effectively doesn't increase your flat damage at all because of runes, but also is what you're probably left with if it's not the third. Is it perhaps supposed to just be "increase by" instead of "increase to"? That would make more sense and give it a decent power bump over just Vicious Swing (at level 4, that would be a base of 2d12+8, and then increase to 3d12+12 for the one swing, assuming +4 damage from strength) ![]()
Exemplar, Horn of Plenty. This technically isn't anything broken. But I think that the transcend should allow you to still use the item on yourself, in order to move your spark while consuming a potion/elixir with the action compression. The issue that comes up here is that while it saves an action with it's immanence effect, because you then need to spend an action to transfer your spark to something else afterwards you don't actually benefit from the immanence unless you're going to use it multiple times in a round (i.e. two+ items on self, self+transcend, etc). (At least, without an ikon feat granting it additional Transcend options) Of course, it allows you to spend two actions to consume two items and give the effects of one to an ally and such still, but it feels like a minor trap that you have to invest further or use multiple items in a turn to actually gain benefit from the immanence at all? ![]()
Master Han Del of the Web wrote:
Yeah, having Old Mage Jatembe keeping a quiet eye on the place is a big plus. But the Magaambya alone is a major draw, both appealing to me as a nerd and for the practical answer of all the spellcasters to solve problems.
|