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Luceon wrote:

First of all I love most of PF2, so far. Now for my rant:

Not only do I agree that this is a horrible mechanic to adopt (+1/ level), that came from a horrible version of D&D (4th) that had the same thing but it was +1/2 levels. WOTC had the wisdom to not stay with that design +1/level ruins bounded accuracy, and bounded accuracy was one of the few things 5e did well, it made the entire monster array usable throughout the entire epic campaign.But still kept the echelon of power.

I came to a realization today, that hit me like a ton of bricks, Paizo has never really designed a fantasy RPG, I'm sorry guys but taking 3.5, adding CMB and CMD and power creep to characters, is not creating an RPG from the ground up. I am thinking that there are some designers of PF2 who actually like D&D 4th ed. I don't understand how that happen but it did. 4th edition, is not just a bad version of D&D, when people look back at human history it will be compared to Nazism and the Bubonic plague, yes it's that bad. God told me that Satan wanted D&D 4th ed to enter the world of man to see if they were stupid enough to play it.

Since someone brought up TAC, check out this little gem of design, You have absurd rules propping up like the armor bonus to TAC. Essentially you are EASIER!!, to touch now if you have no armor on compared to a guy in full plate, HOW IN ODINS NAME DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? Some of you don't understand what I am saying but you shall soon discover this. There will be more criticism to come, so find all my posts and read them, wisdom cries out for an ear that can hear.
NOTE: If you love PF, as I do, please, get involved, for God sake I don't want to be stuck playing D&D 5ed for several more years.

P.S. I just played a barbarian in a play test and tried to die and could not get killed no matter what I did, no the Barbarian is not OP, yes the dying rules + hp + hero points, made me feel like I had a handful of get out jail free cards. Dying 4 my ass, never even close buddy, never even a threat of death....

I think you're really going overboard with the 4th hate. I played it for 3 years and my group enjoyed it (later moved to 5th as a number of players weren't very crunch heavy, same reason we didn't play pathfinder). 4th actually tried to change things up, it was far from perfect but it solved the linear fighter quadratic wizard problem and gave every class a spectrum of roles and a defining flavor. The essentials line (basically 4.5) went steps ahead to fix a lot of the original issues but it was too little too late after most people had already made up their minds.

It's fine to not like it but you went a little overboard and I usually like reading your posts. Anyway, that's all I had to say


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I would love to see changes like the ones the opportunity stated, while we're at it, can we change the long sword to arming sword and basted sword to long sword?