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@zefig: Ah, thanks for the tip!

@Dragnmoon: You are normally allowed to make 2 attacks when dual wielding crossbows (the problem is reloading). I don't view this as changing the number of attacks, just allowing you to re-load. If I have 2 loaded crossbows then I can attack with them both in a single round.

@Chris: Hmm, I definitely look into it.

I've been introducing a lot of my friends to PFS and they are having a blast. One of them recently played a lot of Diablo 3 and wanted to make an inquisitor similar to the Demon Hunter. I told him that dual wielding crossbows is near impossible, but he was insistent that we search for a way to do it. I traversed many forums on the topic but they all came to the same conclusion: that it was not able to be done in PFS due to the fact that you need a free hand to re-load your crossbow. We tried to come up with a way for him to do it with weapon cords, quick draw and careful planning, but in the end it just over complicated it and wasn't worth the feat.

That's when I had an idea: The problem is that you need a "Free Hand" to load your crossbows. Is there anyway to grow another arm?

I remember that the alchemist can get Vestigial Arm giving them a "new arm" that can "wield a weapon and make attacks as part of the alchemist’s attack routine (using two-weapon fighting)." I looked it over and saw nothing wrong with this working.

With that, he could take:
Rapid-Reload at 1st
Two-Weapon fighting at 3rd
Vestigial Arm discovery at 3rd

This would allow him to re-load both his hand crossbows as a free action (as he has a free hand to do it with) and fight at a -2/-2 (as they count as light weapons for two-weapon fighting).

Looking at this this seems both doable and society legal. I just wanted to see if I overlooked anything in the rules or I'm misunderstanding how this combo would work.

That makes sense. I'll tell her to re-tool to a beast master and take boon companion. Although, she may just take a level in druid.

This is what I've gather from this discussion as a re-cap:

*The falconer is restricted to the bird type. This means that the stat's must use the bird, but for fluff you can make the bird any type you desire (as long as you use the stats [and size] of the bird)

*A ranger cannot have a Roc as a companion unless they have the Beastmaster archetype. (Which according to additional resources, is PFS legal)

Thank you all for your responses!

To the note about ranger animal companion selection:

*Additional Resources Specificly says - "Animal Companions: ankylosaurus, aurochs, brachiosaurus, dire bat, dire rat, dolphin, elasmosaurus, electric eel, elephant/mastodon, frog, goblin dog, hyena, monitor lizard, moray eel, octopus, orca, pteranodon, rhinoceros, roc, squid, stegosaurus, triceratops, and tyrannosaurus;"

* The faqs says - "No additional companions are legal in Pathfinder Society Organized Play for Rangers except when granted from another legal source."

*And the roc entry says - "Rocs taken as animal companions by druids or rangers are typically newly hatched birds"

*Leading me to believe that the bestiary allows rangers to a roc as a companion. Whether or not it is eligible for a falconer is a different story.

To the note about it being eligable for a falconer

*One one hand it says "The bird can be of any type of large hunting or scavenging bird (even a vulture)." Which would seem to allow Roc's.

*On the other (as Caderlyn pointed out) it says "but the falconer must take the bird animal companion".

To me this is unclear as it's contradicting itself. But I'm now leaning towards saying the Roc is not available to falconers.

Either way, this is a fairly new player and I know she's not trying to exploit anything or anyone. She plays for fun, but wants to have her Roc as a mount when she hit's 7th (Large size), when is why she is deadset on the roc.

That ruling goes on to say "No additional companions are legal in Pathfinder Society Organized Play for Rangers except when granted from another legal source."

I don't know which book the Roc is in but if it's a "legal source" then does that count? If not then we got ourselves an answer :)

Yea, I made sure they are using the baby roc, having a full roc would be breaking the rules for sure.

Today I had a player who was a ranger with the Falconer archetype. They used that archetype to get a Roc animal companion at level 1, "At 1st level, a falconer earns the trust and companionship of a bird of prey.". We looked at the rules and I am torn. The Falconer first states "The bird can be of any type of large hunting or scavenging bird (even a vulture)." This would make you think that you could get the Bird, Roc and Giant Vulture animal companions as pets with the archetype. But looking further it states "but the falconer must take the bird animal companion". This now implies that you may ONLY take the bird, not the Roc or Vulture. I think the concept of the Roc works for this archetype, but I'm not sure if she can actually use this in a PFS game. I looked around on the forums and found this post about it, but that basically boils down to being up to the GM interpretation. That is never a fun place to be in PFS, and I didn't want to tell her that she couldn't or could without getting more input on it. Personally, I think it would be ok, but my opinion does not decide PFS legality. So, is there any place I could check for an "official ruling" or anyone we could ask?