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Hi all, I've noticed that all of the many Thunder and Fang threads out there tend to bring up more questions then answers. I also notice that there are still some players unaware that some of the lingering questions have actually been addressed in the FAQs. So this is my attempt to try to amalgamate the most important of these into one thread in the hopes of both better understanding as well as some FAQ consideration.
THUNDER AND FANG
Thunder and Fang
You have mastered the ancient Shoanti Thunder and Fang fighting style, allowing you to fight with increased effectiveness when wielding an earth breaker and klar.Prerequisites: Str 15, Two-Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (earth breaker), Weapon Focus (klar)
Benefit: You can use an earth breaker as though it were a one-handed weapon. When using an earth breaker in one hand and a klar in your off hand, you retain the shield bonus your klar grants to your Armor Class even when you use it to attack. Treat your klar as a light weapon for the purposes of determining your two-weapon fighting penalty.
Normal: An earth breaker is a two-handed weapon, preventing the use of a klar in one hand without imposing penalties for using the earth breaker one-handed. A klar can be used either as a one-handed weapon or a shield; it does not grant a bonus to AC during rounds in which it is used as a weapon.
Special: This is a combat feat, and may be selected with class features that grant bonus combat feats.
THUNDER AND FANG QUESTIONS:
If a character wielding an Earth Breaker in one hand by virtue of the Thunder and Fang feat utilizes Power Attack, is it treated as a one handed weapon or a two handed weapon for how much Strength to apply, the Power Attack damage bonus, and so on?If you're wielding it in one hand (even if it is normally a two-handed weapon), treat it as a one-handed weapon for the purpose of how much Strength to apply, the Power Attack damage bonus, and so on.
http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9quw]
Can a Titan Mauler Barbarian with the Thunder and Fang feat wield a large earth breaker in one hand?
No.
http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1g1#v5748eaic9qf6
Can a character with the Thunder and Fang feat wield an Earth Breaker in both hands (since the sentence saying you can use an earth breaker as a one handed weapon is separate from the sentence indicating the other benefits which require a klar)?
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Does a character with the Thunder and Fang feat count as having the Improved Shield Bash feat for the purpose of prerequisite for other feats such as Shield Slam?
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Does a character with the Thunder and Fang feat treat the klar as a light weapon even when using it as a primary attack?
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The Thunder and Fang feat states that it allows the character to use the klar as a light weapon. The description indicates it is treated as a light shield with shield spikes, which is a light weapon. Does a character without Thunder and Fang treat a klar in the off-hand as a one handed weapon or a light weapon?
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EARTH BREAKER
EARTH BREAKER PRICE 40 GP TYPE martial
The crude metal of this massive hammer’s head ends in multiple blunt spikes that help concentrate the force of a powerful swing down into a smaller, more focused area, allowing it to smash through armor with greater ease. Due to the tremendous size and weight of its head, an earth breaker is poorly balanced, and requires two hands to properly lift and control.
Two Handed Melee Weapons
Earth breaker 40 gp 1d10 2d6 ×3 — 14 lbs. B —
EARTH BREAKER QUESTIONS
What fighter weapon group does the earth breaker belong to?
Hammers. (Ultimate Equipment, p.47)
KLAR
Klar
The klar is a traditional Shoanti weapon composed of a blade bound to the skull of a horned spirestalker gecko. This type of spiked shield is detailed in The Inner Sea World Guide. Its statistics are summarized on the following table.
One-Handed Melee Weapons
Klar 12 gp 1d4 1d6 ×2 — 6 lbs. S
Shields
Klar 12 gp +1 — –1 5% — — 6 lbs.
Klar
Klar: The klar is a traditional Shoanti weapon consisting of a short blade bound to the skull of a horned reptile. An attack with a klar is treated as an attack with shield spikes.See page 153 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.
One-Handed Melee Weapons
Klar 12 gp 1d4 1d6 ×2 — 6 lbs. S
Klar: The klar functions as a light wooden or light steel shield when used to defend in combat.
Shields
Klar 12 gp +1 — –1 5% — — 6 lbs
KLAR PRICE 12 GP SHIELD BONUS +1
The traditional form of this tribal weapon is a short blade bound to the skull of a large horned lizard, but a skilled smith can craft one entirely out of metal. A traditional klar counts as a light wooden shield with armor spikes; a metal klar counts as a light steel shield with armor spikes.KLAR PRICE 12 GP TYPE: martial
The traditional form of this tribal weapon is a short metal blade bound to the skull of a large horned lizard, but a skilled smith can craft one entirely out of metal. A traditional klar counts as a light wooden shield with armor spikes; a metal klar counts as a light steel shield with armor spikes. The klar’s shield entry appears on page 12.
KLAR QUESTIONS
For the love of god, could this item be more confusing?
Yes, but it would take a bit of work. :P
Do attacks with the klar have to be made off-handed?
No. Even if you are assuming klar attacks are shield bashes.
http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9oga
Can you dual wield two klars?
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In the klar description, does the term "counts as a ... shield with armor spikes" or "is treated as an attack with shield spikes" mean that all attacks with the klar are shield bashes that do 1d6 slashing damage? Or is the 1d6 slashing damage for the klar when used as a weapon and a shield bash with a klar is 1d4 piercing?
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As a klar is listed as a one handed weapon, can I wield one with two hands and get the 1.5x Strength bonus?
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Is the short metal blade of the klar treated as shield spikes for purposes such as enchanting?
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What would the damage be on a klar with the bashing enchant?
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Can a klar be made from special materials (such as living steel)? If so, does it pay costs as a shield, as a weapon, or both? If so, can you make the "shield" and the "shield spikes / short metal blade" from different materials?
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When creating a magical klar, do you have to pay the masterwork price of a shield, a weapon, both, or only the item category you wish to enchant?
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Do feats designed for shields (Improved Shield Bash, Shield Master, etc) apply to klars?
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If I want to drop my klar (to use my Earth Breaker two handed, for instance) does it take a move action (as per dropping a shield) or a free action (as per dropping a weapon)?
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What fighter weapon group does the klar fall in, if any (specifically for PFS play)?
Listed as Blades, Heavy in Humans of Golarion but then omitted from Ultimate Equipment
If a Harrow Warden wields a klar (which they are proficient in), do they lose their monk AC bonus?
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Would the Quick Draw feat allow you to "draw" a klar as a free action? If yes, would the klar count towards your Armour Class, or would it have to be "donned" as a move action?
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Please feel free to suggest any questions I have missed or point me to any official answers to any of the posted questions.