First of all Wraithstrike, I'm Excited to see you in my thread. But no I don't have a detailed example I can give you. I was merely fishing for people to take my side, But I can admit when I'm mostly on the wrong. Even if I don't agree with it I can understand why it is more common or likely player control gets taken away then allowed to keep it. Thanks all the same for a very insightful discussion on the matter!