| Aldengwareny |
Dabbler wrote:Oh, and I may not have an FAQ reference but I know you don't add weapon focus or the AoMF bonus to grapple checks, because you are not grappling with an unarmed strike or natural weapon. And you DO have to subtract the flurry penalty to your pseudo-full BAB for maneuvers.I'm sorry, you need facts to back up your arguments. "Knowing" the right answer isn't a rules citation.
Those two issues are minor for a high level monk, but I enjoy playing by the rules. SO if you can figure out how someone can grapple without using their fists, elbows, hands, or feet, please let me know.
Keep in mind that a monk pulling a weapon out of someones hands is considered using their fist in a disarm maneuver.
"Disarm, sunder, and trip are normally the only kinds of combat maneuvers in which you’re actually using a weapon (natural weapons and unarmed strikes are considered weapons for this purpose) to perform the maneuver, and therefore the weapon’s bonuses (enhancement bonuses, feats such as Weapon Focus, fighter weapon training, and so on) apply to the roll.
For other maneuvers, either you’re not using a weapon at all, or the weapon is incidental to making the maneuver and its bonuses shouldn’t make you better at attempting the maneuver. For example, just because you have a +5 greatsword doesn’t mean it gives you a +5 bonus on dirty trick checks (Pathfinder RPG Advanced Player’s Guide 320), and just because you have a +5 dagger doesn’t mean it gives you a +5 bonus on grapple checks. Of course, the GM is free to rule that in certain circumstances, a creature can apply weapon bonuses for these maneuvers, such as when using a sap in a dirty trick maneuver to hit an opponent in a sensitive spot."
Found here: Combat Maneuvers.
In other words, since grapple does not use a weapon and the monk's unarmed attack counts as a weapon, you do not add the weapon's bonuses.