UnArcaneElection wrote:
Thanks! I added notes on the Seducer and Feyspeaker. Scott Wilhelm wrote:
I quoted you in the Item section of the guide. :) I hope that's okay. I'll also add Alchemist to the list of multiclass options. Enabling constant sneak attacks is definitely another perk of being a fog chanter. For the single-class and item-based methods, picking up a sneak attack class dip is a definite option. Ideally you'd also have another sneak attacker in the party to fully take advantage of the fog. I'll add a note about sneak attacking to the guide.
AgentWhite wrote:
Just updated the guide again to include Gathlains in 'the first method.'
avr wrote:
Wow! That race looks really powerful. Near perfect stat distribution as well. With that favored class bonus, a Gathlain would probably be an even better fog chanter than a Samsaran. I think I'll change the 'first method' in the guide to also include Gathlains. Another great catch, avr!
avr wrote:
1. A valid point. I guess I was trying to see if I could make a self-contained build that could utilize the Fiery Gaze ability without outside help. There used to be a preface to this effect in an earlier iteration of the guide, but I took it out to save a little space. 2. Summoning a mephit would work, but we're level 10 by the time we get Summon Monster 4... still a fine suggestion and worth mentioning. 3. Smokesticks are fine for very small areas, but the idea of the build was to provide concealment or total concealment to the whole party.
4. True enough. If the player is fine with relying on devices, those are good alternatives. I should add another section to the guide discussing an item-based Fog Chanter. 5. See 4. 6. See 4. 7. Pyrotechnics is a pretty sweet spell, it just requires some setup. I should definitely mention that it is on the Bard list. Thanks! 8. Yeah I didn't discuss any prestige classes. I know there are several that would do the trick. I'll add a prestige section to the guide in a later iteration. 9. Shadow Conjuration is good, but it's also a 4th level spell. And it allows a Will save to disbelieve, doesn't it? For sure it's worth mentioning regardless. Thanks again! 10. Another good catch! It's getting late here (Korea time), but I'll definitely update the guide tomorrow to include a lot of your suggestions.
I recently posted my first build guide. Link to Paizo forum discussion I call it the Fog Chanter. It's based around the Flame Dancer Bard archetype. The guide uses material from Core, ACG, APG, ARG, UM, UC, and others. For some reason, the table of contents hyperlinks don't work when viewing the document online. For a more navigable version of the guide, use the download link above.
This is a little thought experiment I've been working on for a while. Finally decided to put it down in a document. The build uses the Flame Dancer Bard archetype and fog spells to great effect. The guide is more about fun and theory-crafting than about optimization. Anyway, let me know what you guys think! This build uses Core, ACG, APG, ARG, UM, UC, and others. **I've noticed that when viewing the document online, the links in the table of contents don't work.
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