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What sourcebook are you getting this from? Is there a pathfinder version of the dervish? Or is it only a feat? I used the Prclass in 3.5 but i didn't know there was a new version of it.


Heathansson wrote:
Loki, Bart Simpson, and Coyote are really the same guy.

Ah, but do they know that?

Another idea, what if the Demarkation line flips on itself every 1-2000 years or so? So that the classical myths and Biblical Miracles actually occurred in real history- it might be a fun touch to slip in some flavour?

Also what is occurring in British / French, North America? Remember the 13 Colonies were NOT the first settlements in the Americas ( All I can picture is Christopher Columbus becoming a Lich and lording over latin america.)


Are you still looking for an antagonist? I am running a similar campaign, (albiet from an entirely magical less historical look) and if you need A CE villain, why not use either Loki if you are going in the Norse direction , Or CN for the Coyote? Both are shapeshifting gods and cause mischeif, but would most liklely want to maintain their domain.


What about the Heir / Heiress? I think a Hamlet type situation would be great to run.


Game / Beastmaster, Also the court Magister, who oversees the arcane aspects of the kingdom. Also, a specific page or herald would be a good choice for certain classes.


My character doesn't seem so weird, he was a half gnome human who was a shoemaker by trade and practised magic for a hobby. He wasn't very wise and was Chaotic so he created a spell that whenever his name, Brixlid Von Vogelstien was uttered a minor Illusion of say, lightining or three birds would circle his head. Sounds tame right?
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Not if your in Ravenloft...

He ended up going into a dream world, and by trying to use magic there broke it into smithereens by summoning a petal, went insane suffering delusions of grandeur, was destroyed again inside the dream world, resurected by a cleric of Odin renouncing his faith to make a deal with demon whom the party was tracking, who also cured his insanity. Then was killed by again by a sneak attacking PC who thought him a threat to the party, about 3 rounds later.


First of all, this is one of the reasons that i dont particularly like sorcerer as a class. I think it should have less limitations than it has (better BAB, skill points) because of the fact that the caster HASNT spent their whole life studying. I would have originally said that spontaneous casting should ignore armor, but maybe not.

As to the levels they gain, it would be derived from at least 1/2 of their total character Level, perhaps even equal. Also I think I would allow most NPCs and maybe certain monsters to do the same thing. As to the limitation of 3 schools, it sounds like a good idea, im not sure it would allow for the versatility which i want, but then again it might be good to keep it and maybe bump it up to 4 or 5, about 1/2 the spell list. Oh and i would limit metamagic to wizards and other casters.

Can anyone foresee balancing issues? Im thinking Druids and Clerics would be most difficult.

(All I can see is wildshape into a diretiger, cast FIREBALL! in wildshape.. OR WISH, Miracle to gain xp back, WISH...)


Yes I think it would be better to use the bard progression for spells per day, but I think using the sorcerer list would be the list i would want to use, however, if i implemented this, do you think i could get away with getting rid of bad base attack bonus, and give a wizard an ok one if everyone can cast?


I don't know about everyone, but at least PCs being able to do so. This already exists in a form, and it's called gestalt multiclassing.

Quoted mylon

I am aware of the idea of Gesalt classes, the reason why i brought this up however was to find a way of giving non magical classes an avenue to explore magical areas. I would use it for a high magic campaign, in which it would give me tremendous enjoyment to see the local town drunk to be able to cantrip, Locate alcohol and cure hangover ;). But anyways the fixing-the-wizard part of that solution is the most important anyway so it still leaves us with that problem.


A bit of a shameless plug, but I thought of an idea to combat the exclusiveness of the Wizard. In the homebrews forum I have started a thread which was inspired by this one, a high magic campaign setting in which the sorcerer class does not exist but each Pc and NPC cast spells like a sorcerer of their level, or Challenge rating, would.

If i were to implement that, wizards would merely be able to cast more spells and prepare some of them as opposed to being shoehorned like everyone else.(needless to say the other minor spell casters would have to be changed as well) I think this, if it were balanced consistently, would make everything a bit more balanced, as in that case everyone could solve a greater degree of problems and it would provide the non caster classes with a bit more lattitude. (also as a bonus CHA would never again be a dump stat ;)


Hi everyone I am a long time observer of the forums but first time poster, and I was struck by inspiration for a campaign setting soon after reading the Class tiers thread:

http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderR PG/general/theClassesOfThePathfinderRPGWhichTierDoTheyBelongTo

So after reading this I think I found the limiting factor of the classes: Access to arcane magic.

So i thought up a campaign / homebrew idea of my own, since i've never really liked the Sorcerer Class, so i came up with a solution:

Why not have every Pc and NPC cast spells as a sorcerer?

I know this sounds ridiculous and I realize that it is, but could it/ should it be done? I think the most difficult parts of it would be balancing Wizards Clerics and Druids but i think it could be interesting. What do you think?


What about using the sorcerer as a template for the gish? What if we gave a player with innate magical talents deriving from int, a good base attack bonus? If a player asked me if they could play I sorcerer with a decent base attack bonus, and better skills and weapon choices i would agree in a moment. I have always thought that a sorcerer has so few ways of solving problems, that they deserve more avenues to explore. They can't fight, they can't solve specialized problems with their spells, because they have such a small selection. I feel that the bloodlines are a good thematic touch but they seem lacking. It also makes sense from a flavour/ logic standpoint for sorcerers to be more versatile, as they don't have to devote their lives to study, then why are they so underdeveloped?