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Howdy All! I tend to play CG/CN/LN martial or skill characters with two handed weapons, and would be open to just about any play setting. If needed I can build a character to fit in with a group who is short someone, but I've got two of my recent characters listed below. I'm open to playing via Skype, Post by post, FaceTime, or just about any other gathering mechanic.

I've been playing PF since the beta, and DnD type games for more than 15 years.

Greatsword wielding female Elf named Zonda. She is a mobility Fighter/Rogue with Scout Archetype and in her last campaign managed to be the primary tank and damage dealer of the party, usually acting in concert with a greatsword fighter. She was helped in this a bit by inadvertently putting on an artifact level ring that transmuted her into a natural born werewolf/elf.

And finally there's Tyran. Founder and President of the Dead Fighter's guild and known throughout the land as Crit McWhiffles. An elven fighter who managed with a starting stat pool of 17, 17, 17, 16, 14, 11 rolled with 4d6 drop 1, yet by the time he made it to level 10 had been dropped to negative 14 times, including in his first first round of his first encounter. And despite having taken toughness, still had fewer hit points than the Wizard by level 10. He had also been banned by the Mounts division of the Minion's Union from utilizing the rental services of any stable in the realm on account of the more than 20 horses that had been lost while in his service.


The only part that I'm getting at is that it is a two handed weapon, no matter how you are using it. It is in the two handed weapon category. I understand the different means by which one can attack with it, but how you're attacking doesn't change the fact that it is still a two handed weapon for what are largely passive feats. Shield of swings only requires a two handed weapon, which a double weapon inherently is. Furious focus does differentiate between a one handed weapon in both hands vs a two handed weapon; demonstrating that when greater specificity is required, it is noted.


From my perspective it shouldn't matter if you're attacking with one end or both ends of a double weapon, for the purposes of feat prerequisites and abilities, a double weapon is still a two handed weapon.

I'm not suggesting that strength bonuses should be added to both ends of a double weapon, the rules specifically state that that is not the case.

What I am saying is that double ended weapons are still two handed weapons, even when using both ends. As such they satisfy requirements for feats such as shield of swings, furious focus, spear dancer, and pushing assault; even when using both ends.


I had a question about the status of double weapons; do feats that require a two handed weapon (furious focus, shield of swings, etc) apply to a double weapon when fighting with both ends?

What I THOUGHT was that double ended weapons were two handed weapons that acted as a one handed primary and light off hand weapon for the purposes of calculating attack rolls and damage rolls. Their status as a two handed weapon would fulfill prerequisites for feats and/or abilities that benefited two handed weapons.

For example: Fighter with a quarter staff, two weapon fighting, and shield of swings gets to make additional attacks due to two weapon fighting, but all attacks are half damage due to his activation of shield of swings.

But what I have been TOLD is that when fighting with both ends of a double weapon, it is considered in all ways to be two separate weapons; not just for the purposes of attack and damage bonuses, but for feat prerequisites as well. In order to apply say, shield of swings, I would have to be fighting with only one end of it.

For example: Same fighter above must forgo his iterative attacks and wield only one end his quarterstaff in order to gain the benefit of shield of swings. Or if he attacks with both ends, he cannot use shield of swings.

Thoughts?