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Rysky wrote:Steve Geddes wrote:Rysky wrote:A bikini doesn't give you more armor than actual armor just because it may look sexier.I'm pretty sure that isn't his point.
I think he's saying that PF's method for modelling armor is not very simulationist anyhow. There's a simple, mechanical system (just add some numbers together) and that how you might describe your armor is not always related to how high those numbers 'should' be.
It doesn't matter how simplistic the armor system is.
Lorde Fyre wrote:I say again, I have zero problem treating her bikini as armor.A Bikini isn't armor.
A Bikini isn't armor.
A Bikini isn't armor.
A bikini is armor, but it only protects the areas it covers.
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Oh, I agree, I would have preferred her not in the bikini as well, continuing it is perpetuating and defending the sexist ideology, but so is trying to make a bikini into armor. And bending over backwards trying to defend making it into armor.
To play devil's advocate for just a second, of all the "main" licensed characters in this comic (Tarzan, Thun'da, Tars Tarkas, and John Carter), Red Sonja is actually wearing the _most_ clothes. :)

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Rysky wrote:
Oh, I agree, I would have preferred her not in the bikini as well, continuing it is perpetuating and defending the sexist ideology, but so is trying to make a bikini into armor. And bending over backwards trying to defend making it into armor.To play devil's advocate for just a second, of all the "main" licensed characters in this comic (Tarzan, Thun'da, Tars Tarkas, and John Carter), Red Sonja is actually wearing the _most_ clothes. :)
Despite wearing less are the males sexualized as much as Red? What's their loincloths and battle thongs made of?

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Leather.
Honestly I think Thun'da is fairly sexualized, at least in that his physique is emphasized significantly. There aren't close-ups on his crotch or anything, but you see much more of the top half of his body than you do Red Sonja's.
Also Jonathan Lau's version of Red Sonja's costume is a fair amount less bikini-looking than the standard Sonja look. It's got lots of nice details and matches the Pathfinder characters pretty well.
I also had Valeros take off his shirt in the first issue so he can get in on all the man-chest action in this series.

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Leather.
Honestly I think Thun'da is fairly sexualized, at least in that his physique is emphasized significantly. There aren't close-ups on his crotch or anything, but you see much more of the top half of his body than you do Red Sonja's.
Also Jonathan Lau's version of Red Sonja's costume is a fair amount less bikini-looking than the standard Sonja look. It's got lots of nice details and matches the Pathfinder characters pretty well.
I also had Valeros take off his shirt in the first issue so he can get in on all the man-chest action in this series.
... that's not sexualized, that's a power fantasy. Difference.
"at least in that his physique is emphasized significantly. There aren't close-ups on his crotch or anything"
Having a well built man simply exist isn't the same thing. There's people who will be sexually attracted to them, yes, no doubt about it. But being sexually attracted to and sexualized aren't the same thing.

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Note the difference between the posture and the viewing angle.
*hillariously this one is slightly NSFW due to the borderline naked lady in there as well, do you know hard it is to find a pic of Conan without a near naked lady clinging to him? Pretty damn hard apparently.
EDIT: for those who don't think the second picture works because it's a different character, here's actually a (slightly NSFW, again) Conan painting by Frazetta.