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is there a way to get this feat on a caster without multiclassing(such as getting a feat that just counts as weapon spesilisation for the purposes of prerequisites)

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It's a martial bonus.

I doubt you can get it for a caster.


is there any similar effects that could be obtained by a caster?


Lady-J wrote:
is there any similar effects that could be obtained by a caster?

The only "caster" that could acquire it would be a Ranger who took the Archery Ranger Combat Style, and he'd still have to obtain Weapon Focus in the ranged attack of his choice (and the Point Blank Master feat would apply only to that type of ranged attack).

And I put quotes on "caster" because, while it's true that Rangers can cast spells, they are identified mostly as martials, and not as casters, so...

Oh; there's also Myrmidarch Magus, who gets improved Fighter Training (and as such can select Weapon Specialization), but that too would technically be more martial than spellcaster, and that would require quite a bit of investment and later level acquisition to get. I'll leave that up for you to decide. But in my opinion, Myrmidarch Magus isn't worth it. For a ranged Magus, Eldritch Archer is better.

Quite frankly, casters shouldn't have all of the nice things. Paizo already does that for them with every splatbook publication. You could at least stand to leave a few things for the martials...


Most Magi can qualify for Weapon Specialization through their Fighter Training class feature.

A Shaman with the Battle Spirit can get Weapon Specialization through the Battle Master Hex.

Warpriests can select Weapon Specialization through their Bonus Feats class feature.

A Medium could select both Weapon Specialization and Point Blank Master through the Legendary Champion feature of the Champion Spirit.


Is this going to come up often enough for a "caster" in situations where "taking a 5' step away so you don't provoke anymore" wouldn't suffice?


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Had a discussion about this recently ... Nature fang druids can get slayer talents which can be ranger combat style feats. Inquisitors can cast litany of sloth as a swift action to stop an enemy taking attacks of opportunity, and rogues with the slow reactions talent can stop people taking attacks of opportunity when they get a sneak attack off. Anyone who can turn invisible doesn't take AoOs usually, a magus (including eldritch archers) can cast as part of a full attack. The air blessing allows a warpriest to fire without AoOs, most divine casters can pick up a blessing 2/day for a feat.

So yes, there are casters with some such ability.


for a kenetisit like character they would probably be SoL i guess...


Lady-J wrote:
for a kenetisit like character they would probably be SoL i guess...

For a Kineticist, get Weapon Finesse and Kinetic Blade (or even better, Whip) and you can smack people in Melee with your kinetic blast without provoking. This is built into the class so there's no reason to take PBM.


Lady-J wrote:
for a kenetisit like character they would probably be SoL i guess...

If they can fly then AM DIFFERENT BARBARIAN might have difficulty 5' stepping after them, and turning invisible protects a kineticist like anyone else - though they don't get an action economy advantage to do so.


Lady-J wrote:
for a kenetisit like character they would probably be SoL i guess...

The Elemental Annihilator archetype can select Weapon Specialization as a Bonus Feat at 8th level.


its not an actual kenetisist but kenetisist is the closest thing to it, its a convertion of the 3.5 warlock. the question wasn't about the class itsself though so i didn't want it to be moved to 3rd part forums or houserules forums as im looking for a streat paizo source resolition.

Liberty's Edge

There are a few feats that qualify you for Weapon Specialization (Longsword) and Quarterstaff Master allows it for Weapon Specialization (quarterstaff)... but none for all weapons or ranged blasts that I can think of.

As I recall, 3.5 Warlock blasts were ranged touch/rays rather than their own unique thing like the Pathfinder Warlock.

That's good in that you can get Weapon Focus (ray) and the like, but sticks you with the fact that there are VERY few ways to avoid provoking with it. Your best bet when threatened may be the Warlock's own ability to use their blast with a melee attack... or 5' step away before using the ray version.


guess thats what ill have to do then


This may be a little on the nose but have you thought about fighter? Four levels of weapon master qualifies you for weapon specialization plus it gives you weapon training in your chosen weapon which in turn qualifies you for gloves of dueling.

Quote:
Weapon Training (Ex): At 3rd level, a weapon master gains a +1 bonus on attack and damage rolls with his chosen weapon. The bonus improves by +1 for every four levels beyond 3rd. This ability replaces armor training 1, 2, 3, and 4.
Quote:

GLOVES OF DUELING

Price 15,000 gp; Aura faint transmutation; CL 5th; Weight—
These supple gloves grant the wearer a +4 bonus to her CMD against disarm attacks, attempts to sunder her wielded weapons, and effects that cause her to lose her grip on her weapons (such as grease). The wearer doesn't drop held weapons when panicked or stunned. If the wearer has the weapon training class feature and is using an appropriate weapon, her weapon training bonus increases by +2.
CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS

Cost 7,500 gp
Craft Wondrous Item, greater magic weapon

It's a bit of an investment but four levels gives you +4 attack and +5 damage.


Don't warlocks get access to at-will invisibility or flight via their invocations if they so choose?

Edit: and I remember now there's an eldritch glaive blast shape (lesser invocation?) for use in melee. It wasn't in Complete Arcane with the warlock class, it was in some later book. Using it does not provoke AoOs.

Silver Crusade

avr wrote:
Lady-J wrote:
for a kenetisit like character they would probably be SoL i guess...
If they can fly then AM DIFFERENT BARBARIAN might have difficulty 5' stepping after them, and turning invisible protects a kineticist like anyone else - though they don't get an action economy advantage to do so.

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Scarab Sages

A warpriest with the Air Blessing will not provoke while the blessing is active. A cleric, druid, Inquisitor, or oracle can take the blessing with the War Blessing Feat.

Liberty's Edge

Imbicatus wrote:
A warpriest with the Air Blessing will not provoke while the blessing is active. A cleric, druid, Inquisitor, or oracle can take the blessing with the War Blessing Feat.

Doesn't really work for this case because you have to touch the weapon you want to impart the blessing on. Even if you could somehow 'touch the ray'... the blessing would then only apply to THAT ray. With a 1 level dip you'd also only be able to use it three times per day.

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