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If a Sorcerer with Mnemonic Vestment wants to cast a spell from a Wizard's spellbook that he has in his Handy Haversack, does he have to cast Read Magic, fish out the book, find the right page and read the spell to cast it? The wording of the Mnemonic Vestment item seems to imply that he just needs to be carrying the spellbook and be able to read it, not that he has to be actually reading it.
The description for the item is as follows:
The surface of this delicate-looking blue silk robe is adorned with tiny embossed runes across its entire surface. If the wearer is a spontaneous caster, once per day she may use a spell slot to cast a spell from a written source (such as a scroll or spellbook) as if she knew that spell. The spell must be on her spell list, the same spell level or lower than the expended spell slot, and the same type of spell (arcane or divine) as the spell slot expended. The caster must also understand the written source (such as using Decipher Script or read magic) and be carrying it. Activating the robe is not an action, but casting the spell otherwise works as normal, including casting time, providing components or foci, and so on. Using a mnemonic vestment's properties does not consume the written source.
If you cast it from the scroll would you need to have it in hand? You wouldn't need read magic though as you can decipher it ahead of time. Or better yet, if it's your spellbook you already understand it.
He just has to be carrying it, he doesn't have to read it.
Note that it doesn't technically say he has to be holding it in his hand, just that he's carrying it, so you might want to check with your GM on if he's okay with it just chilling in your backpack, or if you'll have to have it in hand.
Well if you're cool with giving a Sorcerer the exact same effect as Arcane Bond for 5,000GP more power to you. I however am not.
Well if you're cool with giving a Sorcerer the exact same effect as Arcane Bond for 5,000GP more power to you. I however am not.He just has to be carrying it, he doesn't have to read it.
Note that it doesn't technically say he has to be holding it in his hand, just that he's carrying it, so you might want to check with your GM on if he's okay with it just chilling in your backpack, or if you'll have to have it in hand.
It's 5k, plus the scroll.
It doesn't give him an extra spell per day like the Arcane Bond does.
It eats action economy more than an Arcane Bond does.
In the long run it will cost a hell of a lot more than the Arcane Bond, since that lets you cast any spell in your book while this requires a scroll.
It is not in any way an equivalent to the Arcane Bond.
No, this specifically gives a spellbook as an example. So you can cast any spell in the spellbook that you've deciphered, once per day. I'm also not seeing how it eats more action economy than arcane bond. Both are just the normal action to cast the spell, right?
For some reason I thought you needed to have the scroll in hand.
But my other points stand.
For some reason I thought you needed to have the scroll in hand.
I guess that is a big part of my question - Do I have to be holding the written material (scroll/book) or can it just be on my person somewhere? Is this just DM's discretion or is there an official ruling of some sort?
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It eats action economy more than an Arcane Bond does.
Why?
With arcane bond you cast a spell you have in your spellbook using the casting time required by that spell.with Menmonic vestment you cast a spell you have in a spellbook or a scroll using the casting time required by that spell.
In the long run it will cost a hell of a lot more than the Arcane Bond, since that lets you cast any spell in your book while this requires a scroll.It is not in any way an equivalent to the Arcane Bond.
a spell from a written source (such as a scroll or spellbook)
It explicitly say that you can use a spellbook. It will cost slightly more as you can't write the spells in a spellbook, but there are good chances that you will be able to take one from some enemy spellcaster and if you don't find one you only need to pay a wizard to write the spells that interest you in a spellbook.
So for a sorcerer/bard it will cost only slightly more.It is different for a oracle or a inquisitor as there aren't divine spells spellbooks. But on the other hand a oracle or inquisitor can't use a arcane bond.
It eats action economy more than an Arcane Bond does.
Why?
With arcane bond you cast a spell you have in your spellbook using the casting time required by that spell.
with Menmonic vestment you cast a spell you have in a spellbook or a scroll using the casting time required by that spell.
Covered above.
It explicitly say that you can use a spellbook. It will cost slightly more as you can't write the spells in a spellbook, but there are good chances that you will be able to take one from some enemy spellcaster and if you don't find one you only need to pay a wizard to write the spells that interest you in a spellbook.
So for a sorcerer/bard it will cost only slightly more.
Spellbooks are pretty expensive. Even finding one eats into your wealth (if your GM is like mine WBL is calculated based on what you have, not just what you buy) for something you can only ever use once a day.
You keep making this action economy claim, but you've never actually explained it. "Covered above" isn't helpful when you never actually covered it.
What is the action economy difference? Arcane bond and robe both let you cast a spell as whatever kind of action it would normally be, so far as I know. If you think otherwise, could you explain why?
I don't "keep making this claim" because "covered above" is where I said I made a mistake in thinking you needed to take out the scroll (a Move action) and read it.
Meaning I abandoned my claim the first time somebody asked me about it and I didn't feel the need to repeat myself to the other people.