Vanish: PRD change question.

I think there was a change made to the Vanish spell in PRD but I can't find any reference to it in the message boards or in errata.

I remember seeing Vanish as a Swift action spell in PRD. I also remember seeing references to Vanish being a Swift action on the message boards. I specifically remember a whole discussion about whether or not Vanish should be allowed to be used in Item Creation due to it being a Swift action Invisibility and overshadowing the already existing Ring of Invisibility.

I read a bit through a thread discussing the Ninja's Vanishing Trick and saw references to the Vanish spell; so I looked it up again in the PRD. To my surprise the action listed is a Standard action.

Does anyone know if/why/when this was changed? Or am I just remembering wrong and it was always listed as a Standard action in the PRD.

As far as I know, Vanish has always been a standard action. You may have been thinking of a 3.5 spell, since I recall there being a low level swift-action invisibility spell in Spell Compendium.

Alternatively, you were probably just thinking of Vanishing Trick, and misremember it as Vanish. It basically makes the Ring of Invisibility useless, but not from an item creation standpoint.

I took the time to make a spell use ring of Vanish and it really comes in handy but getting such a small number of rounds means a full Ring of Invincibility is a good item.

10,000gp for 2 minutes and 30 seconds of invisibility is nothing when thinking you could simply stay invisible all the time. It does not even last that long due to the needed to caste again so you only get 120 seconds.

I took the time to make a spell use ring of Vanish and it really comes in handy but getting such a small number of rounds means a full Ring of Invincibility is a good item.

10,000gp for 2 minutes and 30 seconds of invisibility is nothing when thinking you could simply stay invisible all the time. It does not even last that long due to the needed to caste again so you only get 120 seconds.

When you were making your Ring of Vanish, what action did the Vanish spell take? Was it a Standard or a Swift action when you were studying the spell?

As far as I know, Vanish has always been a standard action. You may have been thinking of a 3.5 spell, since I recall there being a low level swift-action invisibility spell in Spell Compendium.

Alternatively, you were probably just thinking of Vanishing Trick, and misremember it as Vanish. It basically makes the Ring of Invisibility useless, but not from an item creation standpoint.

It is possible it was always a Standard action but I vividly remember it being a Swift action. I am not sure why that is.

The Ninja Trick is a Swift Action, the normal spell is Standard.
People were discussing the Ninja version, which is faster than the spell it´s based on.

a full Ring of Invincibility is a good item.

I have no doubt that a "full ring of invincibility" is a good item. Where I can find one?

It is possible it was always a Standard action but I vividly remember it being a Swift action. I am not sure why that is.

You could be confusing it with a 3.5 spell? Perhaps there was a swift invisibility that vanish has usurped in your mind?

Either that or you were considering using it with a magus as part of spell combat and a full round action, but I think it's the former.

-James

In 3.5, their was a spell called Swift Invisibility. Swift Action become Invisible, as the spell, for 1 round. It's in the Spell Compendium from WotC, pg 125. I couldn't find anything for Pathfinder on their being a different version of Vanish , or errata. Hope this helps

Thanks for the feedback.