Once Upon a Time in Golarion (Inactive)

Game Master vayelan

A Kingmaker game with an emphasis on politics and the mundane

Resources:
Loot, NPC, and Misc Tracker
Kingdom Tracker Spreadsheet
Settlement Tracker: Horace

Map of the Greenbelt
Kingdom Building Rules

Current Encounter Map:
Ambush at Varnhold Pass


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Yes, everyone should be level 3. Enjoy!


Can everyone remind me what they ordered for when the merchant wagons arrive in a couple days?

Also, while you wait for them to arrive, did you want to map out the areas around the trading post or did you have other projects in mind?


Male Human Unchained Rogue (Phantom Thief) 3

Paval has the letter to his half sister requesting her to make her way to the outpost.

Ahto had sent his report to the high priest of Abadar in Restov so there might be a reply to that.

Wonky was looking for thieves' tools and artisan tools for weapon making.

That's all I could find.

As for what to do till the merchants arrive, Paval is eager to get moving again. He has very little to do at the outpost.

EDIT: Just a side note, in case Paval's half sister does arrive with the caravan (up to you GM). Expect a whole lot of awkwardness between them. They (secretly) were a couple before they knew they are half siblings and those feelings aren't fully gone on either side, despite their best efforts. Nothing inappropriate between them, just awkwardness.

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Female Gnome NG Investigator 4/Hunter 2 (Cryptid Scholar) hp 39/39 | AC 15* (t14;f12 *+1 AC vs traps) | CMD 16 (ff13) | F* +5 R*** +10 W** +6 (*+2 illusions **+1 if animal within 30' *** +1 vs traps) | Init +3 *Perc +6 (Darkvision)

Wonky had also hoped for some sling bullets, and was looking for some writing supplies.


N Female Elf Arcanist (occultist) 3 | HP 20/20 | AC 12 (+4), T 12, FF 14 | CMD: 11 | F 2, R 3, W 3 | Init +2 | Per +0 (Low-Light Vision)
Other Business:
Arcane Reservoir: 3/5 | Spell Slots: 1st: 4/4 | Portrait

Aris doesn't really need anything at the moment.

Sorry I've been spotty. Testing season is upon my school, so there hasn't been much brain-power to think with.


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I don't recall even being around to order anything (though I may have just forgotten). Regardless Sams is pretty broke right now. He is in the market for better armor, but not sure there is any means of getting that at the moment.


Male hp 31/31 | AC 17 [18 Tiger], T 13 [14], FF 15 | F+6, R+5, W+2 | Speed 30 ft., swim 30 ft. | CMB +5; CMD 17 [18 Tiger] BAB +2 | INI +2 | Perception +8 Hunter 3rd |
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Melee bite +5 (1d3+3), 2 claws +5 (1d4+3) Ranged longbow +4 (1d8/X3)
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Skills Climb +7, H. Animal +5, Heal +5, Per +8, P- (Trapper) +5, Ride +5 Stealth +7, Survival +7 Swim +14

Hexa wasn't around to order. Being broke like Sams.

Though I will post in game here shortly to suggest a hunt for a legendary boar so we can get magic t'ings. :)


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I've updated the regional map to better track which portions have been explored, partially explored, or remain unexplored.

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Female Gnome NG Investigator 4/Hunter 2 (Cryptid Scholar) hp 39/39 | AC 15* (t14;f12 *+1 AC vs traps) | CMD 16 (ff13) | F* +5 R*** +10 W** +6 (*+2 illusions **+1 if animal within 30' *** +1 vs traps) | Init +3 *Perc +6 (Darkvision)

I hope everyone's Passover Seder or Easter basket was delicious and gut-filling. Or even that last meal that you had!


Male hp 31/31 | AC 17 [18 Tiger], T 13 [14], FF 15 | F+6, R+5, W+2 | Speed 30 ft., swim 30 ft. | CMB +5; CMD 17 [18 Tiger] BAB +2 | INI +2 | Perception +8 Hunter 3rd |
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Melee bite +5 (1d3+3), 2 claws +5 (1d4+3) Ranged longbow +4 (1d8/X3)
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Skills Climb +7, H. Animal +5, Heal +5, Per +8, P- (Trapper) +5, Ride +5 Stealth +7, Survival +7 Swim +14

Happy Holidays! :D


Yes, I hope everyone is having a good holiday weekend.

Also, does the party return to Oleg's after harvesting some of the moon radishes and seeds, or do you continue exploring the wilds for now? Such as to go after Tuskgutter?

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Female Gnome NG Investigator 4/Hunter 2 (Cryptid Scholar) hp 39/39 | AC 15* (t14;f12 *+1 AC vs traps) | CMD 16 (ff13) | F* +5 R*** +10 W** +6 (*+2 illusions **+1 if animal within 30' *** +1 vs traps) | Init +3 *Perc +6 (Darkvision)

Wonky is up for anything.


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Onward! The seeds won't spoil (I assume).


Male Human Unchained Rogue (Phantom Thief) 3

Happy holidays indeed. For me, I'm looking at our 2nd day of Easter. For some reason, we have 2 days of many holidays here (easter, passover, Christmas)

I'm fine with exploring a bit more. We need to map more, especially the outpost's immediate surroundings.


Male hp 31/31 | AC 17 [18 Tiger], T 13 [14], FF 15 | F+6, R+5, W+2 | Speed 30 ft., swim 30 ft. | CMB +5; CMD 17 [18 Tiger] BAB +2 | INI +2 | Perception +8 Hunter 3rd |
Spoiler:
Melee bite +5 (1d3+3), 2 claws +5 (1d4+3) Ranged longbow +4 (1d8/X3)
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Skills Climb +7, H. Animal +5, Heal +5, Per +8, P- (Trapper) +5, Ride +5 Stealth +7, Survival +7 Swim +14

I don't think they'll spoil. That's why he adds fresh dirt to his otherwise empty saddlebags. Hopefully they stay well until we return.


Male hp 31/31 | AC 17 [18 Tiger], T 13 [14], FF 15 | F+6, R+5, W+2 | Speed 30 ft., swim 30 ft. | CMB +5; CMD 17 [18 Tiger] BAB +2 | INI +2 | Perception +8 Hunter 3rd |
Spoiler:
Melee bite +5 (1d3+3), 2 claws +5 (1d4+3) Ranged longbow +4 (1d8/X3)
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Skills Climb +7, H. Animal +5, Heal +5, Per +8, P- (Trapper) +5, Ride +5 Stealth +7, Survival +7 Swim +14

DM Valeyan Would it be wrong to ask if Hexa can collect the animal skins of what he successfully hunts? Mainly as components for his armor crafting, since stag and other animal skins are used in that way.

I ask purely for character-wise and submit completely to the fact he won't always get a worthwhile skin and the chances a skin spoils before he can treat it as well. Thanks for the time! :D

However if we take down Tuskgutter, I really hope to get a good skin xD


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@Hexa, that would be fine.

We'll say that if the Survival total for hunting is above 20, the hide is completely intact. If the total is 15-20, about half the skin is usable, and below that it is not usable. Sound good?

For Tuskgutter, though, you may need to make a Survival roll just to salvage the hide depending on how brutally the combat goes.

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Female Gnome NG Investigator 4/Hunter 2 (Cryptid Scholar) hp 39/39 | AC 15* (t14;f12 *+1 AC vs traps) | CMD 16 (ff13) | F* +5 R*** +10 W** +6 (*+2 illusions **+1 if animal within 30' *** +1 vs traps) | Init +3 *Perc +6 (Darkvision)

Holy wow, Hexa. Four 20s in a row, followed by a 19?!?! Save some natural 20s for the rest of us, will you?!


Male hp 31/31 | AC 17 [18 Tiger], T 13 [14], FF 15 | F+6, R+5, W+2 | Speed 30 ft., swim 30 ft. | CMB +5; CMD 17 [18 Tiger] BAB +2 | INI +2 | Perception +8 Hunter 3rd |
Spoiler:
Melee bite +5 (1d3+3), 2 claws +5 (1d4+3) Ranged longbow +4 (1d8/X3)
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Skills Climb +7, H. Animal +5, Heal +5, Per +8, P- (Trapper) +5, Ride +5 Stealth +7, Survival +7 Swim +14
Wonky Prong, Jr wrote:

Holy wow, Hexa. Four 20s in a row, followed by a 19?!?! Save some natural 20s for the rest of us, will you?!

Trust, me I was like. 0.0 reading the post and doing my treadmill workout lol.

I had considered asking to cast gravity bow. But when I saw four 20's, that made me feel bad enough. XD
So I've completed my munchkin post of 2018.


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Given that Hexa is basically fighting for the title of "Greatest Hunter in the Greenbelt," a streak of rolls like that is only fitting.


Male hp 31/31 | AC 17 [18 Tiger], T 13 [14], FF 15 | F+6, R+5, W+2 | Speed 30 ft., swim 30 ft. | CMB +5; CMD 17 [18 Tiger] BAB +2 | INI +2 | Perception +8 Hunter 3rd |
Spoiler:
Melee bite +5 (1d3+3), 2 claws +5 (1d4+3) Ranged longbow +4 (1d8/X3)
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Skills Climb +7, H. Animal +5, Heal +5, Per +8, P- (Trapper) +5, Ride +5 Stealth +7, Survival +7 Swim +14

The Survival rolls sound like a great idea, I appreciate the ideas and thought on it DM Vayelan :)

Also;

Lmao Greatest and Shortest Lived hunter at this rate. Tuskgutter and I are gonna tear each other up.


Male hp 31/31 | AC 17 [18 Tiger], T 13 [14], FF 15 | F+6, R+5, W+2 | Speed 30 ft., swim 30 ft. | CMB +5; CMD 17 [18 Tiger] BAB +2 | INI +2 | Perception +8 Hunter 3rd |
Spoiler:
Melee bite +5 (1d3+3), 2 claws +5 (1d4+3) Ranged longbow +4 (1d8/X3)
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Skills Climb +7, H. Animal +5, Heal +5, Per +8, P- (Trapper) +5, Ride +5 Stealth +7, Survival +7 Swim +14

I wish I could edit my posts again, now that I have sleep it I realize just how badly I wrote that post. Looked good in my head then, but didn't want you all to wait any longer. Lmbo. XD

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Female Gnome NG Investigator 4/Hunter 2 (Cryptid Scholar) hp 39/39 | AC 15* (t14;f12 *+1 AC vs traps) | CMD 16 (ff13) | F* +5 R*** +10 W** +6 (*+2 illusions **+1 if animal within 30' *** +1 vs traps) | Init +3 *Perc +6 (Darkvision)

I like it.


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N Female Elf Arcanist (occultist) 3 | HP 20/20 | AC 12 (+4), T 12, FF 14 | CMD: 11 | F 2, R 3, W 3 | Init +2 | Per +0 (Low-Light Vision)
Other Business:
Arcane Reservoir: 3/5 | Spell Slots: 1st: 4/4 | Portrait

Thanks for the bot. Sorry.


Male hp 31/31 | AC 17 [18 Tiger], T 13 [14], FF 15 | F+6, R+5, W+2 | Speed 30 ft., swim 30 ft. | CMB +5; CMD 17 [18 Tiger] BAB +2 | INI +2 | Perception +8 Hunter 3rd |
Spoiler:
Melee bite +5 (1d3+3), 2 claws +5 (1d4+3) Ranged longbow +4 (1d8/X3)
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Skills Climb +7, H. Animal +5, Heal +5, Per +8, P- (Trapper) +5, Ride +5 Stealth +7, Survival +7 Swim +14

Hexa's (and my ;) ) favorite person is back, no need to be sorry. Things happen. But you are up again btw! :D

But if you are having issues a and need a bot. Let us know. We have your back. Always!


Male hp 31/31 | AC 17 [18 Tiger], T 13 [14], FF 15 | F+6, R+5, W+2 | Speed 30 ft., swim 30 ft. | CMB +5; CMD 17 [18 Tiger] BAB +2 | INI +2 | Perception +8 Hunter 3rd |
Spoiler:
Melee bite +5 (1d3+3), 2 claws +5 (1d4+3) Ranged longbow +4 (1d8/X3)
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Skills Climb +7, H. Animal +5, Heal +5, Per +8, P- (Trapper) +5, Ride +5 Stealth +7, Survival +7 Swim +14

Aside from the Engineering checks, please note that the other rolls were meant for assisting others rolls. since Hexa is not a cartographer.

Thanks!

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Female Gnome NG Investigator 4/Hunter 2 (Cryptid Scholar) hp 39/39 | AC 15* (t14;f12 *+1 AC vs traps) | CMD 16 (ff13) | F* +5 R*** +10 W** +6 (*+2 illusions **+1 if animal within 30' *** +1 vs traps) | Init +3 *Perc +6 (Darkvision)

I’ll be out of town for the next week from today attending a wedding. My internet will be spotty. Bot me as needed, please.


Male hp 31/31 | AC 17 [18 Tiger], T 13 [14], FF 15 | F+6, R+5, W+2 | Speed 30 ft., swim 30 ft. | CMB +5; CMD 17 [18 Tiger] BAB +2 | INI +2 | Perception +8 Hunter 3rd |
Spoiler:
Melee bite +5 (1d3+3), 2 claws +5 (1d4+3) Ranged longbow +4 (1d8/X3)
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Skills Climb +7, H. Animal +5, Heal +5, Per +8, P- (Trapper) +5, Ride +5 Stealth +7, Survival +7 Swim +14

We know wonky is out of town.

Everyone else okay?


I'm here. I was just waiting to see if anyone had anything to add before moving on from the fangberries and the bridge.

I believe the decision was to explore the northern side of the Thorn River, including the Mite tree and the Kobold mine before returning to Oleg's?


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N Female Elf Arcanist (occultist) 3 | HP 20/20 | AC 12 (+4), T 12, FF 14 | CMD: 11 | F 2, R 3, W 3 | Init +2 | Per +0 (Low-Light Vision)
Other Business:
Arcane Reservoir: 3/5 | Spell Slots: 1st: 4/4 | Portrait

I've been following, but I'm on a new medication for my depression and it's been a bit strange. I'm looking for a place to jump back in, but right now I'm quite unfocused. Sorry.

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Female Gnome NG Investigator 4/Hunter 2 (Cryptid Scholar) hp 39/39 | AC 15* (t14;f12 *+1 AC vs traps) | CMD 16 (ff13) | F* +5 R*** +10 W** +6 (*+2 illusions **+1 if animal within 30' *** +1 vs traps) | Init +3 *Perc +6 (Darkvision)

I’m back! I’ll post later today.


1) I hope you start feeling back on track, Aris. We'll be here for you when you're ready.

2) Welcome back, Wonky!

3) After Sams' suggestion for the Fangberries, I'm now envisioning a winery in the newly founded kingdom, exporting bottles of wine with Sams' picture on the label.


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DM Vayelan wrote:

1) I hope you start feeling back on track, Aris. We'll be here for you when you're ready.

2) Welcome back, Wonky!

3) After Sams' suggestion for the Fangberries, I'm now envisioning a winery in the newly founded kingdom, exporting bottles of wine with Sams' picture on the label.

"I's Sams, and I's approves this message!"

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(*Mind-Buttressing Armor*) Male Human Inquisitor of Abadar (Sin Eater) 6 l AC 20 T 11 FF 19 l HP 49/49 l F +5 R +2 W +7/+9* l Init +2 l Perc +11

A picture of Sams with a large wooden cudgel. The brand (of course) would be: "Sams Club".

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Female Gnome NG Investigator 4/Hunter 2 (Cryptid Scholar) hp 39/39 | AC 15* (t14;f12 *+1 AC vs traps) | CMD 16 (ff13) | F* +5 R*** +10 W** +6 (*+2 illusions **+1 if animal within 30' *** +1 vs traps) | Init +3 *Perc +6 (Darkvision)

Wonky would like to start working on brewing a potion of enlarge person using one of the fangberries. Per the CRB, it says that a caster out adventuring can devote up to 4hrs a day to item creation, though it nets only 2hrs worth of work. That's good, because the potion will take only 2hrs to create and base cost of 150gp (1st level spell x 3rd level caster x 50gp). Additionally, with the fangberry, that cost will drop to 112gp, 5sp. I can use my alchemy crafting kit (though it doesn't give me any bonuses to craft alchemy checks, and I'll need to make that check at the end with a DC 8 difficulty (5 + CL of the item).

There's just one other problem. Wonky has only 61gp on her, so she's going to need to ask for a loan from someone (or to take 52gp from the party treasure) in order to make the potion.

All good?

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Female Gnome NG Investigator 4/Hunter 2 (Cryptid Scholar) hp 39/39 | AC 15* (t14;f12 *+1 AC vs traps) | CMD 16 (ff13) | F* +5 R*** +10 W** +6 (*+2 illusions **+1 if animal within 30' *** +1 vs traps) | Init +3 *Perc +6 (Darkvision)

Wonky took 52gp and 5sp from the party treasury (I took it off the Quartermaster and Muster spreadsheet) in order to make the potion for Sams.


Male Human Unchained Rogue (Phantom Thief) 3

Sorry for being gone for quite a while. It was a combination of technical problems (new PC that didn't work as flawless as it should, and still doesn't) and personal issues.

Simply put, in the past I have suffered from depression. While that is mostly behind me I do occasionally slip and I need to act on that to make sure I don't fall back. This time that all took a bit more work than it usually does.


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Sorry to hear that, Paval. I've seen depression up close, and it is awful. Glad you were able to manage yours, and thanks for sharing.

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The Mountain's Maw |

Happy to have you back, Paval!


Male hp 31/31 | AC 17 [18 Tiger], T 13 [14], FF 15 | F+6, R+5, W+2 | Speed 30 ft., swim 30 ft. | CMB +5; CMD 17 [18 Tiger] BAB +2 | INI +2 | Perception +8 Hunter 3rd |
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Melee bite +5 (1d3+3), 2 claws +5 (1d4+3) Ranged longbow +4 (1d8/X3)
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Skills Climb +7, H. Animal +5, Heal +5, Per +8, P- (Trapper) +5, Ride +5 Stealth +7, Survival +7 Swim +14

Happy to see you back Paval! Looking forward to Aris returning as well. You both are very welcome here. :)

Apologies for the silence. Dealing with work issues. Ugh.


N Female Elf Arcanist (occultist) 3 | HP 20/20 | AC 12 (+4), T 12, FF 14 | CMD: 11 | F 2, R 3, W 3 | Init +2 | Per +0 (Low-Light Vision)
Other Business:
Arcane Reservoir: 3/5 | Spell Slots: 1st: 4/4 | Portrait

I think it’s time for me to admit that this just isn’t a priority right now. I’ve been on the forums for nearly four years, and the oldest game I’ve GMed is 3 years, 2 months old. I’ve played a lot of cool characters, but my heart just isn’t in it at this point in my life, and it’s unfair to everyone to wait for me to not post, so I’m going to drop my games for the time being.

The games I’m in right now are really cool, and it’s got nothing to do with them, or with their pacing. I’ve enjoyed the different characters and the different players. I’m currently working on dealing with depression, and as I come out of that, with moving into a new career path that’s more fulfilling than what I’m doing right now. I’ve also reconnected with some old friends, and am spending more free time doing things with them.

There may come a time when I’m back on the forums, and when I am, if you’re interested in having me back, I’d love to rejoin. It’s been fun, and I’ll see you all around.

Thanks for the games.


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Farewell, Aris, hope to game with you another time.


I'm very sorry to see you go, Aris. I hope all goes well in your life.
If you decide to return, I hope you'll be impressed by the strong kingdom we've built.

On my own end, my wife and I will be leaving this afternoon for a long-delayed honeymoon to Iceland. I will be bringing my laptop with me, so hopefully there won't be much disruption in my ability to post. Just wanted to give you guys a heads up.


Male Human Unchained Rogue (Phantom Thief) 3

Goodbye Aris and good luck with all your endeavors.

DM, enjoy your honeymoon. We can wait.

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Female Gnome NG Investigator 4/Hunter 2 (Cryptid Scholar) hp 39/39 | AC 15* (t14;f12 *+1 AC vs traps) | CMD 16 (ff13) | F* +5 R*** +10 W** +6 (*+2 illusions **+1 if animal within 30' *** +1 vs traps) | Init +3 *Perc +6 (Darkvision)

Very cool! Iceland! Enjoy!

Happy trails to all.


Male hp 31/31 | AC 17 [18 Tiger], T 13 [14], FF 15 | F+6, R+5, W+2 | Speed 30 ft., swim 30 ft. | CMB +5; CMD 17 [18 Tiger] BAB +2 | INI +2 | Perception +8 Hunter 3rd |
Spoiler:
Melee bite +5 (1d3+3), 2 claws +5 (1d4+3) Ranged longbow +4 (1d8/X3)
Spoiler:
Skills Climb +7, H. Animal +5, Heal +5, Per +8, P- (Trapper) +5, Ride +5 Stealth +7, Survival +7 Swim +14

Good luck and fair travels aris!

It was fun playing withyou!


Male hp 31/31 | AC 17 [18 Tiger], T 13 [14], FF 15 | F+6, R+5, W+2 | Speed 30 ft., swim 30 ft. | CMB +5; CMD 17 [18 Tiger] BAB +2 | INI +2 | Perception +8 Hunter 3rd |
Spoiler:
Melee bite +5 (1d3+3), 2 claws +5 (1d4+3) Ranged longbow +4 (1d8/X3)
Spoiler:
Skills Climb +7, H. Animal +5, Heal +5, Per +8, P- (Trapper) +5, Ride +5 Stealth +7, Survival +7 Swim +14

I just noticed that my page has been updating the gameplay thread so working on catching up LOL


Male hp 31/31 | AC 17 [18 Tiger], T 13 [14], FF 15 | F+6, R+5, W+2 | Speed 30 ft., swim 30 ft. | CMB +5; CMD 17 [18 Tiger] BAB +2 | INI +2 | Perception +8 Hunter 3rd |
Spoiler:
Melee bite +5 (1d3+3), 2 claws +5 (1d4+3) Ranged longbow +4 (1d8/X3)
Spoiler:
Skills Climb +7, H. Animal +5, Heal +5, Per +8, P- (Trapper) +5, Ride +5 Stealth +7, Survival +7 Swim +14

post coming in the a.m. been dealing with a really bad outbreak of flu in my family I apologize for any wait I caused and I'm still very much interested to play.


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Hey folks!

I've been thinking that I might want to play a new character for this Kingmaker campaign. Sams has been fun to play, but as the game has continued on, I find him a bit limiting in terms of being a participant in many interactions. Being a simpleton, he just reacts to situations emotionally, and has a hard time taking the lead on planning what to do or chatting with the new NPCs that arrive.

As such, I'm interested in trying to build a new character. I've exchanged a few PMs with DM Vayelan and he is open to the idea. I am specifically interested in making a high charisma noblewoman or nobleman, as it seems to me that our party is lacking an obvious Ruler once we get to kingdom building. Although I would be open to taking things a different direction.

My question is, what character do I make? DM Vayelan suggests I try to build in a connection with some of the existing characters, particularly Paval or Kalima. I think the most obvious way to bring in a character is to create Elena Surtova. I would enjoy trying that, but I also know that is wildly invading Paval's creative space, so I am not doing this unless Paval says this is a good idea. I would also want feedback on what class Elena should be. I should mention that I had sketched out a Charisma-based Slayer as a non-spellcasting martial character (using the Desna's Shooting Star feat) and would want to do something like that if Elena could be a martial type. If she is better as a spellcaster, I could make that work too.

Since this mission has come up, another option is for me to play Jhod Kavken. I have no idea how readily he can be made a PC from a storyline perspective, but I would not object to building a high-Charisma cleric.

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Female Gnome NG Investigator 4/Hunter 2 (Cryptid Scholar) hp 39/39 | AC 15* (t14;f12 *+1 AC vs traps) | CMD 16 (ff13) | F* +5 R*** +10 W** +6 (*+2 illusions **+1 if animal within 30' *** +1 vs traps) | Init +3 *Perc +6 (Darkvision)

I like the idea of having a Kalima-esque character back in the mix, so that brings up the obvious question: why not simply take over Kalima and re-make her into your vision for her?

I will miss Sams though. Who will Wonky have to play 'MAKE BIGGER' with?

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