Here we are :)
@Wingnut20x6: You're going halfling, right? The bellflower network for Slippery is a halfling thing. Bitter is fine, just keep in mind that "ally" means everyone, not just your fellow PCs.
Figured, just wanted to be sure! Wasn't sure if I had to "truly" belong to the network or not
OK all; profile is updated, as I'm new if anyone wants to glance over in addition to GM to see if I missed something obvious?
Also, group; CLW and Divine Favor are in; 3rd slot is Bless by default but I'm open to requests/suggestions?
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Realized I hadn't Selected my weapon in HeroLab so it didn't show in the stat block, I do have a dagger...a dagger. It may or may not be brand new in the packaging still...ok it probably is since I probably don't have anything sharp to get it out of that clamshell packaging.
Also, is there some place that I missed that explains how to use the macros or am I not likely to need one of those (Clamshell packaging remember)
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For macros, below every text box is "How to format your text" followed by a button labeled "Show"
For dice specifically, you need to type
{dice=Longsword}1d20+10{/dice}
But replace the {} with []
That will result in...
Some unsolicited information/suggestions I give to all players new to PbP:
Original Rolls
Attack 1: 19 <--- A potential crit for my longsword!
Attack 2: 14
When I go back to confirm the crit, it should look like this
Attack 1: 19
Attack 2: 14
Crit Confirm: 4
If you do this
Attack 1
Crit Confirm
Attack 2
The final results change to this
Attack 1: 19
Crit Confirm: 14
Attack 2: 4
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Figured, just wanted to be sure! Wasn't sure if I had to "truly" belong to the network or not
Yes. The prerequisite is that you be a member of the bellflower network. And I am a stickler for the requirements/flavor on traits, drawbacks, story feats, etc.--anything that is personality or backstory related.
@Tiber, TYVM. Saved these for future
Gear now purchase, counted, alloted. GM has backstory. Pretty sure I'm now 100% ready?
Also, are we all starting as strangers?
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@Tiber Thank you for the helpful tips. Some I knew from being a very long time poster on these boards, I thought there was a macro to save some of the regular rolls, I guess not and will create a cheat sheet for my own.
Also, are we all starting as strangers?
That seems to be a @GM question. He has the backgrounds and knows if any of them would make sense to know each other. My background should not preclude knowing any of you, but it is a lonely tale so I could easily see us meeting for the first time as we start the grand tale.
@team
Morning all!
Had a thought . I could trade spellcraft for Sleight of Hand and it would fit my character well... however, spellcraft is very useful too
Thoughts? It would get us another skill covered, I know our wizard will be maxing spellcraft. I’d at least put a single rank at 2 so I can roll it but then go back to SOH.
Good morning!
Sleight of hand seems to fit your character better IMO and opens up a world of possibilities in terms of playing the game (especially an intrigue focused one). Idk that spellcraft is worth a single rank after level 5 or so. IME, waiting a day to try again with or without an Identify spell has never been a problem (I can see how it could be one, just have never experienced it being one).
Since Tiber has all knowledge skills as class skills, he will be putting a point into each so that he can roll, but those will scale a little with his int. We've still got a few unaccounted for, but I think most of those are the ones typically less used. Fingers crossed!
Changed. Subbed Shiftless for Secretive Survivor, which is ARG so I think it's already fair game?
Skills updated, and adjusting skill sheet now too
Can't wait to get started!
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Also, are we all starting as strangers?
The players can actually decide that; it won't significantly affect things either way. You could even choose to meet pre- or post-employment with Martella Lotheed.
I thought there was a macro to save some of the regular rolls, I guess not and will create a cheat sheet for my own.
I put them at the bottom of my profile, like this
@All: Is anybody still working on the mechanics of their character?
@GM - mechanically done, ready
@GM - in regards to my backstory, how long ago did the “downfall” happen? If I know anyone, it may be important whether I knew them from before or after
Mechanically ready. Went with skill focus in sense motive btw.
Just waiting on ideas for Nemesis.
Mechanically ready
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@GM - in regards to my backstory, how long ago did the “downfall” happen? If I know anyone, it may be important whether I knew them from before or after.
I haven't actually read anybody's backstory or personality yet. Doing everything in stages to keep some semblance of order in my mind/life, and that will be one of the last stages.
I gotcha
Everyone needs to keep a sound mind right now, take all the time you need.
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Re: Skills
There are currently 12 skills untrained, and 3 skills doubled up. Before we proceed/finalize that, you should know two things:
That's not to say you need to do anything in particular, but you should at least plan for your gaps.
Thoughts for team:
I bet we know we aren’t going to get all covered. First ones I’d say we shouldn’t worry as much about is climb and swim, but we should get some gear to help with those. Happy to hear counter arguments
My Doubled skills
Stealth is kinda important for my character, plus I’m Small so mechanically it makes sense. Would like to keep this one? (Falx)
UMD comes from my curse, which I could change. That would remove UMD and I could look at doing Disguise again? Would have to play around with it but I’d try to get it as a class skill... would help so I can try to make disguises for everyone and honestly fits my character anyway. I’m probably going to make this change when I get home (Zenizar)
As such, I’m in the market for a new curse. Open to suggestions, requests, advice to avoid xyz...
@GM - does the penalty from the Blackened Curse apply only to manufactured weapons?
Or do touch, ranged touch spells take the penalty as well? How about Spiritual Weapon (something I was looking at for 2nd level spells)
Secondary, age-old question here... spritual weapon, as an Oracle, would it key off my Charisma instead of Wisdom as noted in the spell?
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I have swapped out K: Local for K: Engineering. I can't really swap Nobles and Arcana. Not interested in ditching UMD or Linquistics, they support my character, though Linguistics is going to be part of the non max Knowledge rotation.
The only Skill point that I could move would be Sense motive, but I get a trait bonus and it is a class skill there and none of the skills that are not covered on the list are class skills. So I would drop from a 5 in a skill to a 1 or 3 in another, not really seeing any advantages, with an exception that I could swap it for another Knowledge, which I was planning on using the point for a knowledge next level anyway.
My Plan at 2nd level is to pick up Geography and Dungeoneering and letting Sense Motive and Linguistics sit.
I could swap Linguistics for one of the knowledges, that is trading an 8 for an 8 so that makes sense I suppose, but I like having the languages to start and I would then grab linquistics at 2nd level and leave one of the knowledges to wait.
I just realized we didn’t have me as a strong Linguistics on the list. Was planning to max; fits my character and I get a bonus for forgeries which I think will go well for us. As info if you want to let that one sit or be sub-maxed
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@GM - does the penalty from the Blackened Curse apply only to manufactured weapons?
Or do touch, ranged touch spells take the penalty as well? How about Spiritual Weapon (something I was looking at for 2nd level spells)
Secondary, age-old question here... spritual weapon, as an Oracle, would it key off my Charisma instead of Wisdom as noted in the spell?
The penalty would only apply to manufactured weapons. Spiritual weapon goes off wisdom, though you could research a charisma-based version. In order to be a class ability, and therefore trigger off charisma, the text in question needs to be in the oracle class entry.
And it is a spell effect, so no penalty. In order to be a manufactured weapon instead of a spell attack, it would need to be something that actually creates a physical weapon, i.e. an instantaneous conjuration spell.
The penalty would only apply to manufactured weapons.
^^Gotcha. I thought Blackened would work the same way, but wanted to double check before I cursed myself into a hole.
Spiritual weapon goes off wisdom, though you could research a charisma-based version. In order to be a class ability, and therefore trigger off charisma, the text in question needs to be in the oracle class entry.
^^The reason I asked about the CHA here, was the FAQ here : FAQ.
Also discussion.Sean K Reynolds and Design team agree with you RAW, but strongly imply that the class didn’t exist when the spell was written, and then Oracles inherited the Cleric spell list…. So it would ideally be “uses your primary casting stat” not Wisdom specifically
Either way, not super worried about this one spell, we’re on the same page on Blackened and that was 90% of it
@GM would this trait be approved?Deep Cover?
OK!
So, swapping my curse to Blackened, I'm going to lose UMD.
To cover disguise better, I shall replace my Stealth trait, and go with a Disguise trait. ALSO, since I'm small, my stealth is average without a class bonus and rank, so I may just let that hang, and I could train Handle Animal
Thoughts? May not come up often, but when we need it, I am the charisma build... maybe quieting the horses as we sneak through a barn or convincing the noble's scary guard dogs to let us pass? May be more useful than normal. Plus I already have it as a class skill
That would cover 2 previously un-covered skills
Any further ideas for me team? I'll re-do my money and gear shortly, I won't need all the expensive jewels anymore... may also change my Craft skill
Avery, you could always do what Zanizar is doing and put a point into something at second level (like stealth), before going back to your "main" skills.
What were your plans for UMD?
Handle Animal could be useful, I think it is worth some points. There isn't much to replace not having the skill. Sure, Charm Animal, but IME that's often a wasted spell slot.
GM, what does this mean: "Spies without their own disguises all get the same one from the sheriff."
Addressing skill gaps:
Tiber can toss a skill point at climb/swim at level 2, but we should just make sure we collect some items that address these skills. Climbing kits, grappling hooks, rope should do wonders for most climb situations. I'm sure there are a couple of swimming related equivalents.
Even though he is int based, since he is a melee character, I don't think his investment in the stat will make middling investments in other knowledge skills worth it.
Idk that it makes sense for any of our characters to take survival... Any thoughts about that?
The dex-based skills and intimidate... not only do those not fit our characters, we don't really have the points for them. Even Avery, as our charisma character, is going to have a hard time with intimidate due to being small.
Avery, you could always do what Zanizar is doing and put a point into something at second level (like stealth), before going back to your "main" skills.
What were your plans for UMD?
Handle Animal could be useful, I think it is worth some points. There isn't much to replace not having the skill. Sure, Charm Animal, but IME that's often a wasted spell slot.
True, but Stealth isn't a native class skill for me. My options there (untrained, but class skills) are Heal, K:History, K:Planes, K:Nature, Profession, S.M., Spellcraft, and Survival. Noticeably, the WIS skills in which I have a 0 mod.
I had no specific plans for UMD, just that it came with my curse and was based off CHA so it seemed to fit. Mostly just to have the utility. No loss for plans or character there.
Addressing skill gaps:
Agree with all your points, and for myself at least, Survival doesn't make sense for the character, nor the 0 WIS score... Planning purposes, we're going to need to be prepared with food when we leave towns (I have water cantrip) and tracking people could be an issue
We're a 4 man group, I think we're spread as evenly as we can before we start getting spread too thin.
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The reason I asked about the CHA here, was the FAQ here : FAQ.
Also discussion.
If Paizo actively supports that being house ruled, I'm fine with it, too. However, keep in mind that it reverses wisdom and charisma. Any spell which mentions a charisma modifier will now go off your wisdom, as by the above argument that was intended to be a secondary score.
Also, it only applies to spells known from the cleric list. It doesn't cover bonus spells, anything activated with UMD, etc.
@GM would this trait be approved?Deep Cover?
Yes
GM, what does this mean: "Spies without
their own disguises all get the same one from the sheriff."
It means that without disguises, you will eventually get caught and end up wearing orange cover-alls.
We're a 4 man group, I think we're spread as evenly as we can before we start getting spread too thin.
Agreed. My goal in drawing attention to your skills was to make sure you consciously chose your gaps and had a plan for them--not to eliminate them entirely. For example, you can run without Disguise, but then you'll probably each want your own hat of disguise.
@GM let me do more research on spells before I ask to use this rule. It may be simpler to just avoid this one spell if it won’t work for me than to change multiple spells
To all, consider me mechanically ready again. Just need to adjust a few minor details but my skill spread is changed and I’m happy with it.
@GM no rush on reading my backstory, I need to make a few minor changes anyway, but one piece I could really use would be to know how long ago the events in my Campaign Trait happened. Last week vs a month ago vs year+ changes my character and potential alignments with other characters drastically (in my head anyway).
@Tiber, you’re a Veterinarian, I now have Handle Animal... let’s make this happen :D
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@GM one piece I could really use would be to know how long ago the events in my Campaign Trait happened. Last week vs a month ago vs year+ changes my character and potential alignments with other characters drastically (in my head anyway).
It could reasonably be anytime in the past 20 years or so. Do you have a preference?
It could reasonably be anytime in the past 20 years or so. Do you have a preference?
Will dwell on this and get back to you.
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We are close to the point of no return on skills. A couple could probably be improved, for instance the charisma skills could all be done by the oracle and int by Wizard and Alchemist. Physicals by the Ranger, but I don’t see these characters being so closely allied that they would be perfectly synergied.
Could Avery take UMD and I take Religion? Yes, but it then also removes some rounding. At some point we are still going to be short of something.
If I put a Point in Disguise then I go from 2 to 3, not seeing an upside. If disguise is that important, they should mention it in the players guide, if they did, it needs to be more obvious, and they need to offer a fix for those of us not Charisma based who don’t have it as a class skill. I have Charisma, but I wouldn’t have to to be a decent Wizard. I decided to take disguise self, but not many Wizards would have. So, my point is if it’s that important, then they should have said no Wizard or any class without disguise.
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One PC with Disuise is enough, he can make everyone's disguises. And you could theoretically get through without disguises, but it would railroad you at some points.
You are right though, this player's guide has a lot of problems. It didn't even come out until after the first few books, and seems to have been rushed to even make that happen.
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A couple could probably be improved, for instance the charisma skills could all be done by the oracle and int by Wizard and Alchemist. Physicals by the Ranger, but I don’t see these characters being so closely allied that they would be perfectly synergied.
I am perfectly fine with that level of meta-gaming. The obstacle would be whether it forces undesired changes to your characters' personalities.