Dark Heresy - The Heavens Call (Inactive)

Game Master JonGarrett

@JonGarret

I am looking at some gear from outside the core rulebook, the Inquisitors Handbook, I've got the page numbers for each written down. Let me know if you are alright with them.

Gear from the Inquisitors Handbook
Counterseptics page184
Superior Salvation Augur page 127
Naval Shield page 162

Changing ground transport to pistol training. So I can use the laspistol. Figure that is more useful in a boarding action.

For gear will save for a shock maul and later for better armor

Those purchases are fine.

@Lothar My apologies, I am not sure what I was reading last time, but I swore the Lascutter was 31 kg and mounted on a cart, and thus not very functional for us (hence my proposal of the costly melta gel in its stead). At 8 kg, it is definitely mobile, though I am a little curious why it's price went from 65 thrones in the Core Rulebook to 370 thrones in the Macharian Handbook. Perhaps because they actually gave it a damage stat line and didn't want it being abused by starting characters. Also, I was suggesting to purchase the aforementioned "group gear" before dividing the remaining wealth, so you wouldn't have to turn over 400 thrones yourself, then buy the lascutter as well.

Also, sounds like Aenarius wants to keep his laspistol, so subtracting that, our group fund starts at 5950 thrones. Thusly updated:

Party Use Items
Combitool (200): +10 Tech Use and Trade (technomat)
Lascutter (370): heavy, 2d10+3, Pen 6, clip 10; can burn through 5 cm thick metal along length of 25 cm / round.
Medikit x2 (200): +20 Medicae, 10 uses
Multikey (150): +30 Security

Total: 920 thrones

which leaves 5040 thrones, providing everyone with 840 thrones for their personal gear.

I'll do some shopping later tonight.

Many, many, many thanks to Ekran for his help with this:

Enforcer Light Carapace (AP 5, body/arms/leg, 15 kg; keep your guard helmet) 575-250 trade in Guard Flak (-helmet) = 325 thrones
Shock Maul (1d10 I, shocking, 2.5 kg) = 150 thrones
Armsman-10 Stub Pistol (Pistol, 35m, 1d10+3, Pen 0, clip 13, 1 full) 75-50 trade in laspistol = 25 thrones
-> manstopper ammunition (Pen 3, 6 clips @ 13 rnds = 78) = 65 thrones

Aenarius is now ready for a boarding action. AP5, TB4, a shotgun with manstopper ammunitiion, and a shock maul incase enemies get close.

Shocking weapons can Stun their opponents with a powerful surge of energy. A target that takes at least 1 point of Damage from a Shocking weapon, after Armour and Toughness Bonus, must make a Toughness Test, though they receive a +10 bonus for every Armour point they have on the location hit. If they fail, they are Stunned for a number of Rounds equal to half the Damage they suffered.

Against tough but lightly armored foes, this seems like a good way to put an opponent on lockdown. :)

@Lothar: I'm quite certain that Vasyl didn't use those frag grenades that Lothar loaned him.

@Erkan: Many thanks for organising the party loot and trade-ins. Those party gear items are great choices. Vasyl can currently make good use of the multikey and he will be picking up Medicae in the next round of xp, just so ye know.

@Aenarius: A good selection there. Carapace is tasty, and the shock maul will indeed cause trouble for those types of enemies.

I'll chew over items that Vasyl would go for and post today. He has a preference for large calibre solid projectile weapons, as the big hits can put down enemies more quickly.

@All Looking for some advice Eventually I would like to go Armoured Body Glove[ABG] + Blur Field Cloak[BFC] but that is 3100 way out of my range.

I can afford a BFS, but I take a big Hit to Armor losing the Flack Cloak. A hardened Body Glove is 600, same AP but Stealth Capabilities. I sort of feel like holding onto the credits till I can afford the ABG, That said is there something that someone else wants that me lending them my portion of the current funds would make affordable?

General Rules Question
Why would I ever want Two-Weapon Wielder over Swift Attack?

@Praetus: If you haven't seen it in "tools of the trade", there is also the cameleoline cloak for 500 thrones. +20 to concealment and if you are stationary, you count as if you are are at extreme range when being shot at. I'm seriously considering one for Vasyl.

Check out the 3.0 errata. I believe that's where they clarify that you can combine swift/lightning attack with two weapon fighting for +1 attack from the off-hand weapon.

Also, underline tags don't work in this forum software.

@Vasyl, I thought I might have been missing something, for an extra 100 I can Cameleoine my Flack Cloak and not take a huge hit to my armor, but it puts me that much further from my goal.

I assume armor Concealment bonuses do not stack.

@Praetus. Macharian Handbook has the Cameleoline Coating upgrade as costing 600 thrones.

I would imagine not. But the body glove and blur field cloak put penalties on detection which aren't the same thing.

Mesh Combat Cloak is AP 4 (all) @ 350 thrones, and weighs only 1.5 kg. The body glove only gives the concealment bonuses when you pay the double cost to get it with a hood, so rather expensive.

@Vasyl, That is what I was looking at I meant for 100 more than the 500 cost of the cameleoline cloak. Sorry for the confusion.

Hmm, a -30 to be hit in ranged combat... I was thinking that this didn't seem like a hide in Shadows type assignment, but all assignments are the dodge bullets type....

Ok Sold
Spending
600 for Cameleoline Coating for my Flack Cloak and
100 for 10 Doses of Tox-Jack to coat some Flickbow bolts

@Erkan thanks for sorting out the loot.

@Praetus Consider for later getting good quality photo contacts, you're already experiencing the wonders of seeing in the dark, why not join Lothar in bring immune to photon grenades! Spider Pads on page 158 of Radicals handbook is worth considering.

Lothar's Acquisitions:
Exterminator
Extra Grip
Krak Grenades x6
Photon Flash Grenade x1
Stun Grenade x1
Frag Grenade x11
Counterseptics x3
Superior Salvation Augur
Naval Shield

Apologies for my delay. Here is my list.

840 Thrones gained

To trade in

Pump Shotgun (75T) with 12 shells (0.8T) and 3 blazer shells (12T) = 87.8T
Flakweave Cloak (80T)
Stablight 10T
Autojector 10T

For a total of 1,027.8 Thrones worth

From Lothar
1 Krak Grenades
2 Frag Grenades

Vasyl's Acquisitions
Cameleoline Cloak 500T
For Armageddon: 2 mags of manstopper of 15 (25T)
For Carnodon: 1.5 mags of bullets (0.3T) and 0.5 mags of manstopper of 6 (2.5T)
Spider Pads 150T
Mesh Combat Cloak 350T

0 Thrones remaining

@JonGarrett: Would you be fine with Vasyl combining half a clip of manstopper and standard bullets into a single clip for the Carnodon? Say the manstoppers on top.

Honestly, I'm British, so I have no idea if that can be done in real life, but I can't see why not.

@Vasyl and @JonGarrett Yes, you can certainly mix ammunition within a clip, or shotgun magazine for that matter (speaking as the crazy American liberal gun owner... and yes, there are liberals who own guns).

@Vasyl That said, the manstopper rounds only increase the Pen to a max of 3, so it only takes your Carnadon up by 1 Pen. In your case, Expander bullets (+1 damage, +1 penetration) would actually do you better, and they are a bit cheaper (1 throne / 2 bullets). It looks like you have 2.8 thrones for ammo? Not a whole lot, so Erkan is happy to toss you a few thrones to make sure you are equipped.

Vasyl's updated Carnadon Ammo:
standard bullet, 4 mags (6 rds): .8 thrones
expander bullet, 4 mags (6 rds): 12 thrones (10 from Erkan)

Argh, the massive post I wrote up yesterday seems to have gone missing. I was getting very confused trying to work out what people were talking about. I'll re-post when I have a moment

@Erkan: Liberal gun owners make sense. It's pretending guns are the answer to the issue of school shootings and such, or refusing to even try legislation that might save lives, that gets silly. America and guns are a thing, and it's never going away - but it can be made a hell of a lot safer.

Cheers for info and thrones! I had overlooked expander rounds entirely, which make more sense.

As for real-world firearms, technology (or restrictions thereof) can only do so much to prevent atrocities, but should not be overlooked despite that.

I had 13 thrones, -10 for Vasyl, +840 = 843.

flakweave cloak (sell) +80
mesh combat cloak 350
overcharge pack (x4) 48
duplus ammo clips (x3) 30
hotshot pack 15
manstopper bullets (6) 5
red dot sight 50
clip/drop harness 25
photo visor 100

remaining thrones: 300

I am setting up six of my overcharge packs on the duplus ammo clips to reduce my reload time on my lucius pattern shotlas. The remaining four I leave individual, for either manual reload at full time, or use in my longlas.

My thanks to Ekran for his continued help!

Flechette Shells (+2 Pen, +10m range) (3 thrones / 2 shells)

- 5 clips (12 rounds) = 90 thrones does what your shotgun always does, only better
Slug Shells (+2 Dmg, +1 Pen, lose Scatter) (1 throne / 4 shells)
- 4 clips (12 rounds) = 12 thrones loose scatter, but built of dmg, good for at range

ammo: 102 thrones
shield: 90 thrones

275-192 = 83 thrones + 72 (wealth you already had) = 155 thrones remaining,

Quartermastery (604+840 = 1444 Thrones initially)
-Flack Vest = +50 thrones
-Mesh Cowl = +100 thrones
+Flack Cloak = -80 thrones
+Utility Servo Skull = -1500 thones
Net = 14 thrones

@All: I think we're pretty well geared up for this mission. It makes for a pleasant change from many DH1 games early in the campaigns. :)

@Aenarius: It sucks when a long post disappears. Hopefully you can recall the choice parts and incorporate them into your next post.

Paizo is being the dark devourer.

You lose one too?

Also no offense meant from my post to anyone’s character. Aenarius is growing into being a cynical pessimist as the campaign goes on. If we don’t die/mutate/get turned into servitors, I’m sure he’ll eventually come around

Yeah, the one I posted yesterday was eaten the day before.

None taken! While Vasyl does keep quiet about a lot, Aenarius' assessment makes sense, especially for a 'Biter.

I am totally offended! Erkan is a sweet, cuddly man! Hahahahahahahahaa...

@JonGarrett I had not spent my final 100 xp. Can I use that to pick up the Command skill? Figure that might be useful with our current mission (it is on my advance list).

@JonGarrett: Potentially a long way off, but would you be willing to consider allowing Vasyl to get access of the more scholarly or tech orientated alternate ranks or ascended careers? If not, that's fine. It's just that some of the scum options will make less sense for him, given his technical proclivities as scum go.

Erkan: As far as I know, you can spend XP whenever once you have it. Go for it.

Vasyl: It'll depend on exactly whatcha want, but I'm willing to think it over.

Also: Holy Hell, that is some posting!

Cheers, I'll see how events transpire.

And aye, the characters have some time to kill, as opposed to time for killing. ;)

Great posts everyone, I am in a crunch cycle at work so I will keep up with posts but they are likely to be on the short side.

Cheers Praetus and no worries.

I ran the Free RPG day scenario with Vasyl and a few friends earlier. Factoring in not being familiar with the system combat flowed pretty well. I was kind of looking at bits of the scenario thinking 'Thats a bit odd' at a few points. The mechanics were solid so far as we saw. My concern about the card things, well they didn't have that so I still don't know.

Aye. The core mechanic seems fine and so far the tier system seems to be panning out. The space marine was suitably potent in combat but the veteran guardsman was doing impressive stuff to single targets while having more out of combat ability. And Inquisition acolytes can make great faces as it turns out!

nice! I have definitely been intrigued by the impending system launch for Wrath & Glory. That said, the pre-order of the Core Rules @ $100, or the GM's Set @ $290 seems pretty steep...

I do not drink, I do not smoke, I do not gamble, I do not do drugs... this is my vice and don't you dare shame me Erkan!

I play Warhammer and have kids. Money is an unknown thing.

No shame intended at all. I very much want it, and $30-50 for a book would be no problem, but $300 to get into the system will take some convincing of the mrs... but I am willing to put in the effort!

@Erkan you might want to check your PMs

OK, if everyone is happy with the plan I'll post tomorrow/later today.

Fine by me.

I am good to go!

Sure sounds good.

Likewise

good afternoon all, and my apologies. I had a crazy week at work and my desktop computer died. Both those issues are sorted out now, but I tried to send a post on Wednesday the in my cell phone. Apparently it didn't go through. On my way to work now, but will have a post responding to everything later tonight. Still super pumped for this game!

No worries, tech is an evil mistress.

Hear, hear!

I will be away for both of the next two weekends. I should still be able to post at points during both, but less regularly than usual for me at weekends.