Since touch attacks are generally made with the hand or fingers, and "natural weapons are always considered light weapons" (from the SRD), do touch attacks — specifically the ranged sort — benefit from Weapon Finesse?
Forgive me if my answer is clearly stated somewhere. Right now I can't find it.
Since touch attacks are generally made with the hand or fingers, and "natural weapons are always considered light weapons" (from the SRD), do touch attacks — specifically the ranged sort — benefit from Weapon Finesse?
Forgive me if my answer is clearly stated somewhere. Right now I can't find it.
You could take the feat weapon finesse and apply it when using your natural weapons, yes. And ranged attacks, as far as I am aware, always use dex, therefore weapon finesse is of no 'use' when using ranged touch as you are applying dex instead of str.
But what you must consider is that, in some extreme and wierd case, if you have weapon finesse and were using a greatsword to deliver a touch attack the weapon finesse would not count.
EDIT for some clarity:
Weapon finesse applies to light weapons used for (melee) attacks.
Ranged attacks use Dex mod instead of Str, therefore you gain no benefit from Weapon finesse when using a ranged attack.
And I just read the rules on weapon finesse and if you use a shield the armour check penalty applies to your attack roll. Damn! I did not know that! Wow, I am going to have to make some adjustments to some of my fighters.
You could take the feat weapon finesse and apply it when using your natural weapons, yes.
So you agree it would apply. Cool!
Weapon finesse applies to light weapons used for (melee) attacks.
Ranged attacks use Dex mod instead of Str, therefore you gain no benefit from Weapon finesse when using a ranged attack.
Yeah. I blundered. After posting I confirmed Dex applied to ranged touch. Don't know what I was thinking… :-/
And I just read the rules on weapon finesse and if you use a shield the armour check penalty applies to your attack roll. Damn! I did not know that! Wow, I am going to have to make some adjustments to some of my fighters.
I'm glad you gained something out of this exchange. <grin> I did too. I wasn't sure if a caster could use a touch spell on himself instead of another target, I figured he could; just hadn't seen it in the rules. But there's the confirmation right at the top of PH 141. Cheers!
You could take the feat weapon finesse and apply it when using your natural weapons, yes.So you agree it would apply. Cool!
Weapon finesse applies to light weapons used for (melee) attacks.
Ranged attacks use Dex mod instead of Str, therefore you gain no benefit from Weapon finesse when using a ranged attack.Yeah. I blundered. After posting I confirmed Dex applied to ranged touch. Don't know what I was thinking… :-/
And I just read the rules on weapon finesse and if you use a shield the armour check penalty applies to your attack roll. Damn! I did not know that! Wow, I am going to have to make some adjustments to some of my fighters.I'm glad you gained something out of this exchange. <grin> I did too. I wasn't sure if a caster could use a touch spell on himself instead of another target, I figured he could; just hadn't seen it in the rules. But there's the confirmation right at the top of PH 141. Cheers!
Isn't hitting yourself automatic? Come to think of it I don't remember any actual rules saying that it is in fact automatic but I kind of assumed that it was. I mean on those occasions when I tried to hit myself I rarely missed.
I can't remember if it says it anywhere, but I think hitting yourself is automatic.
