Bump?
So we're waiting until night then attacking, yes?
Seems that way to me as well. So if anyone needs any last minute preparations, there are a few hours available,... otherwise, fast-forward?
A potion of see invisibility would be nice. Can I purchase one?
Yeah, shouldn't be hard to buy any low-level scrolls/potions over the course of a day, but any spells over level 3 might be hard to find in a city this small.
As soon as I've got a bit of time free to write it up, I'll fast-forward things.
I'm out for the evening, as I'm off to Friday Night Magic at my local comic shop. Will try to post later tonight, but no promises as I have no idea what will be going on after.
Have fun at the comic shop.
Consecrate has to be centered on an object, usually an altar. Where on the map is the main altar for the temple?
Desecrate or Dispel Magic will cancel out the Consecrate which will let us more around more easily (and let Mal and I bring our undead up from below if we want).
The main altar is near the top wall, but I'm going with a bunch of priests just sort of cast it all over the church every day—since it's pretty much the biggest temple of Sarenrae in Golarion, they just generally try to keep it holy. Dispel Magic or Desecrate should probably work fine too, just assume it cancels the consecration in an area equal to its AoE.
Remember I'm a walking desecrate spell.
Exactly. I think Anaxian was just worried about people who move away from you, or undead that might barge in.
Exactly. I think Anaxian was just worried about people who move away from you, or undead that might barge in.
Taking out the altar is a great idea, but it's not our primary objective and doesn't directly help us in that primary objective.
There's a difference between your aura, with is a "Desecrate effect", and the actual casting of the spell, which dispels Consecrate.
I think you going near the altar would neutralize whichever was the stronger effect (based on the effective caster level of ash effect), or both, but probably wouldn't permanantly dispel the Consecrate. I'm really not sure though. That's a GM call.
My character would probably know though. GM, can I make a check to figure out if Mal's presence would actually break the altar, or just suppress it?
Hey Shimsil, want to be a bone devil?
You don't need to make a check. Since Mal's armor is also technically an altar, we've got both a consecrated altar and a desecrated altar, of roughly equal caster levels.
I'm going to go with "where the two auras overlap, neither takes effect, unless someone casts dispel/desecrate to remove the consecration in an area." Not sure if that's the exact RAW answer, but it's easy to work with.
i would assume my aura suppresses a consecrate effect, not dispels it.
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Guys,
we've been talking about this fight since May 24. That's Half a month of real time. At this point I don't care what the plan is. I just want to do something. Anything. This is our first mission and we've done nothing but gathered some scattered intel. Intel is valuable, but we had that early on.
We're horrible evil monsters of the night that appear to be afraid to actually do anything. I like role-play, but at some point we have to do more than talk.
Well, in our defense, there was almost a week where we were just posting filler until the GM updated us.
Seriously though. In my next post I'm going in on the bone devil, I'm going to say I bought a potion of see invisibility, so that I can have that affect compensated for, but I need someone to dispel that aura of fear if they can. I can't pass that check consistently enough to be comfortable going into Melee with it.
Also, GM. You can post the map above the thread somehow. Don't ask me, I've never done it myself, but I know its possible.
Well, in our defense, there was almost a week where we were just posting filler until the GM updated us.
Seriously though. In my next post I'm going in on the bone devil, I'm going to say I bought a potion of see invisibility, so that I can have that affect compensated for, but I need someone to dispel that aura of fear if they can. I can't pass that check consistently enough to be comfortable going into Melee with it.
Also, GM. You can post the map above the thread somehow. Don't ask me, I've never done it myself, but I know its possible.
Thats fair. Also I think trying to get the bone devil to grab Shimsil is a great idea. Though that may be as simple as using him as a thrown weapon and seeing if the devil grabs him. If no then we proceed otherwise.
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Stranger danger!
Anywho, there are also paladins to grab Shimsil, and I suspect he'll make for a nice mook killer.
Stranger danger!
Yea. I fixed it. Had the wrong personality posting.
The reason we're so hung up doing nothing is that when the people trying to plan things out post a "hey, maybe we should do this?" NONE of you guys post any sort of response.
We've been waiting on you guys to give one of the plans a go ahead because we don't want to butcher your characters by aggroing everything when you can't teleport out.
Seriously, Illia has thrown out like, 4 "attack next round" plans, and the group usually only has one, maybe two people respond.
Not to hate on the Summoner's Ghost, but his constant repetition of the same plan would make a lot more sense if he made an execution for that plan, such as "Everyone but Illia/Maior/Drisquar (pick one, Maior has best killing potential, Illia has best survivability, Drisquar has best fool paladins) charge into the room, kill the priest and take his body, burn the rest. That person I picked earlier, distract/kill bone devil. Undead, attack, pretend to be on bone devil's side."
Otherwise, any plan we're going to execute is going to be a Leeroy, possibly with similar results.
All we have to do is have a consensus for one of the plans, because there are a ton of them. That's all the planners are waiting on.
Here's a list! Feel free to add, these are just mine and some of the ones I've noticed.
Throw Illia/Maior/Drisquar/Shimsil at the bone devil, possibly with one or more support spells, then rush into the room.
Rush into the room.
Attack the bone devil en mass disguised as adventuring party, then use Delyliath to con the paladins into blaming the target priest (it can be a con to convince people of the truth), and attack with paladins.
Cast your votes.
Illia is built for tanking, not DPS, so I'm with the Illia at bone devil plan especially if she gets an Eagle's Splendor first, or, I have complete confidence in Delyliath's ability to con them.
See below!
Throw Illia/Maior/Drisquar/Shimsil at the bone devil, possibly with one or more support spells, then rush into the room. .5 for Illia
Rush into the room.
Attack the bone devil en mass disguised as adventuring party, then use Delyliath to con the paladins into blaming the target priest (it can be a con to convince people of the truth), and attack with paladins. .5 for this.
The reason we're so hung up doing nothing is that when the people trying to plan things out post a "hey, maybe we should do this?" NONE of you guys post any sort of response.
We've been waiting on you guys to give one of the plans a go ahead because we don't want to butcher your characters by aggroing everything when you can't teleport out.
Seriously, Illia has thrown out like, 4 "attack next round" plans, and the group usually only has one, maybe two people respond.
Not to hate on the Summoner's Ghost, but his constant repetition of the same plan would make a lot more sense if he made an execution for that plan, such as "Everyone but Illia/Maior/Drisquar (pick one, Maior has best killing potential, Illia has best survivability, Drisquar has best fool paladins) charge into the room, kill the priest and take his body, burn the rest. That person I picked earlier, distract/kill bone devil. Undead, attack, pretend to be on bone devil's side."
Otherwise, any plan we're going to execute is going to be a Leeroy, possibly with similar results.
All we have to do is have a consensus for one of the plans, because there are a ton of them. That's all the planners are waiting on.
Yea, except every time we say "yes lets do that" we get 5 more "well what if we did this..." plans. Then we end up with decision paralysis as we have too many options. There are 5 of us and to of them. If we stealth it's not a leery jenkins plan. The only Leeroy plan is going through the front door, which I don't think anyone suggested.
There is only the front door, we can't get through the walls, I believe. Warded.
Mostly because you and Delyliath are the only ones who post in agreement/only slight modifications.
Throw Illia/Maior/Drisquar/Shimsil at the bone devil, possibly with one or more support spells, then rush into the room. .5 for IlliaRush into the room.
Attack the bone devil en mass disguised as adventuring party, then use...
This is the plan.
Those are six separate plans.
I'm pretty sure Summoner's Ghost will vote for Rush into the room, given past utterances, but we shall see.
Ooh, I believe two more plans were "talk to the bone devil" and "assassinate all the guards/paladins using our uberstealth"
I'm pretty down with the assassinate plan too. I think we could easily kill them all before they raised the alarm, and we'd probably like double our reward by doing so. Then, when we attack the priest, any help will have a much longer time coming. Illia can put a minor image at will up, while the party gangbangs each guard one by one, Illia can put the illusion of them still being business as usual over them, then have them "walk" somewhere just out of LoS.
There is only the front door, we can't get through the walls, I believe. Warded.
Mostly because you and Delyliath are the only ones who post in agreement/only slight modifications.
My only objections revolved around wasting time. If you want to gather gnolls then go gather gnolls. Just do something.
Well, can you vote for a plan/propose one?
The Gnoll plan was thrown out Mal (I think people took my dismissal of it to heart *shrugs*). So what I'd say is throw me at the Bone Devil with support of someone with dimensional anchor and/or glitterdust. So that means a party of at least 2-3 against the bone devil. Honestly if we throw Illia and Iranaset at the bone devil, she can tank while I do flyby attacks. All we need is a spellcaster for support.
In essence, I like the plans that involve what I just said above taking place. I think Illia suggested that course of action in one-two of the plans she mentioned.
Now. That being said, I also like having Delyliath disguising herself as the priest and convincing the paladins that he's evil and watching them flay him alive, but then we have to think about getting the body later and that's a headache. I say Drisquar/Shimsil and whoever else can help (probably Mal) go take on the priest while Illia and Iranaset take down the bone devil and hold off the paladins (with the help of a spellcaster). I think that about lines up with one of Illia's plans so I vote for that one.
I think she can easily slip "I sense a dark omen over this body. We should burn the body so it cannot be revived."
Seriously, convincing paladins to prevent the Resurrection of a bad guy should not be hard. They HATE the undead. The only thing they'd raise a ruckus over is the soul bind spell or equivalent. And if his body is ash and the paladins are protecting said ash for us, resurrecting him should be very hard.
This is the plan.
Throw Illia/Maior/Drisquar/Shimsil at the bone devil, possibly with one or more support spells, then rush into the room. .5 for IlliaRush into the room.
Attack the bone devil en mass disguised as adventuring party, then use...
1)rush the room
2) Thow Shimisil at the bone devil as if attacking. Hoping he'll grab it or at the very least stick in him.3) beat down as needed
4) If needed Illiana goes angel to get paladins to help beat down the bone devil.
5) profit
4) If needed Illiana goes angel to get paladins to help beat down the bone devil.
Illia: "S~+& HE'S ON TO ME!"
I'm a wizard. Planning is pretty important and I've never worked with any of you before so I don't know what you're likely to do. Now that we have some sort of plan, I need a bit to fill the spell slots I left empty today so I can memorize the right spells to boost the plan.
Out of game it has been a couple weeks of recon and discussion. In game it has been a night and a morning.
You guys want to just rush in, fine. Just do it. I'll do what I can to help you. If you really want proper wizard support I need all the variables first.
I honestly don't care what is decided. Worst case scenario to me is that i bring the people that die back tomorrow and we try again.
I'm a wizard. Planning is pretty important and I've never worked with any of you before so I don't know what you're likely to do. Now that we have some sort of plan, I need a bit to fill the spell slots I left empty today so I can memorize the right spells to boost the plan.
Out of game it has been a couple weeks of recon and discussion. In game it has been a night and a morning.
You guys want to just rush in, fine. Just do it. I'll do what I can to help you. If you really want proper wizard support I need all the variables first.
I honestly don't care what is decided. Worst case scenario to me is that i bring the people that die back tomorrow and we try again.
anti-invisibility, dimensional anchor, haste
Anything else is icing. Perhaps something to bar the door.
We're up against a cleric, so some save or sucks that target reflex.
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I think she can easily slip "I sense a dark omen over this body. We should burn the body so it cannot be revived."
Seriously, convincing paladins to prevent the Resurrection of a bad guy should not be hard. They HATE the undead. The only thing they'd raise a ruckus over is the soul bind spell or equivalent. And if his body is ash and the paladins are protecting said ash for us, resurrecting him should be very hard.
If Delyliath is the party Liar and she has to come up with something to end up being entrusted with the corpse. For the sake of "let's do something" just assume that she will come up with something (I already know what to do) and roll with it.
The only thing ... I need a minute to get a disguise.
A surprise round Glitterdust and dimensional anchor would absolutely wreck that bone devil, presuming we penetrate SR.
Before combat, Illia would benefit greatly from Haste/Eagles Splendor/Deflection Bonus to AC/anti-fear. Dimensional Anchor and Fear Aura are currently the only things a bone devil has that won't need to nat 20 to hit Illia.
Alright, after this, we definitely need to nominate a party leader, based on whoever can herd this crew of cats (no offense, Anaxian), but yeah, I imagine Delyliath could pick and start disguising during the buff phase of our plan.
A surprise round Glitterdust and dimensional anchor would absolutely wreck that bone devil, presuming we penetrate SR.
Before combat, Illia would benefit greatly from Haste/Eagles Splendor/Deflection Bonus to AC/anti-fear. Dimensional Anchor and Fear Aura are currently the only things a bone devil has that won't need to nat 20 to hit Illia.
Alright, after this, we definitely need to nominate a party leader, based on whoever can herd this crew of cats (no offense, Anaxian), but yeah, I imagine Delyliath could pick and start disguising during the buff phase of our plan.
I fully support nominating a party leader in character. I also recommend it not be me. Doesn't really fit the character concept.
I'd nominate someone who can telepathically communicate with the entire team, needing no relays. Sorry Shimsil!
How is the actual angelic being trying to convince the pallys that they should attack the bone devil a bad idea?
You seek to lie and con. I could flat out tell the truth, and would likely be believed.
I think regardless of what the best plan is, people will not pick it save by random luck. We're all frustrated for lack of action.
Also, Delyliath's bonuses for telling a lie are more than twice your bonuses for telling the truth. Just saying. :P
Also, no one called your idea bad. People just voted for other ideas. Well, two people voted. Everyone else was entirely non-committal.
Just say you are sent by their deity to smite the fiend and get your bluff bonus.
Seeing so many people said "eh, I'll do whatever if we just go", I threw out an in character attempt to move things.
Hi, everyone. I think I've learned a thing or two about how open-ended to make a campaign (this is a set-up I'd use in a physical tabletop, but it's a bit too open for an online game maybe?)
Anyway, further quests will be slightly more linear but still with roleplaying stuff and choices.
I'd also support the concept of "yes, and" which is very common in improv/LARPing; if someone suggests something that nobody else's character has a problem with, characters can say "that might work, here's what else I'd like to add/modify in that plan."
Anyway, it sounds like things are figured out? I'm seeing the consensus plan as
1. Glitterdust the devil (the spell isn't affected by SR) so that the paladins can see what's going on, while a few of the party attack it, pretending to be angelic.
2. Use that fight as a distraction for other members of the party to sneak into the room, and kill the priest
3. After the dust settles, the party, generally disguised in the original "good, angelic party" disguises that were discussed a few weeks ago, keeps the paladins calm while they either get the paladins to burn the body or just have someone teleport it out of the Citadel.
Yes, and with corollary of, if the Paladins don't buy it, bum rush target then leave with body.