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Tiny fitting armors


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Liberty's Edge ** Venture-Agent, Utah—Logan aka ShieldLawrence

I remember there was that FAQ about special materials being subject to size/barding multipliers on armors and I was wondering if anything had been decided about using the fitting armor enchantment to mitigate the costs of barding and such.

*** Venture-Agent aka Chess Pwn

I'm unaware of them having done anything about that. So for the time being it's legal. The only considerations to be aware of are; do you think they'll change that and how long until they do and would you still want to play the character once they do?

Sovereign Court *** Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden aka Ascalaphus

It's "under consideration" but I've seen no movement on the issue for a while now.

*** Venture-Agent aka Chess Pwn

Lau Bannenberg wrote:
It's "under consideration" but I've seen no movement on the issue for a while now.

Lots of things go "Under consideration" then get forgot about and never actually considered for a long time, or if they do they don't tell us about it. Like warpriests qualifying for the advanced weapon training feat I believe is "under consideration"

Sczarni *****

Starfinder Charter Superscriber

I always think back to when Mike Brock warned the Pistoleros out there who were doubling their Dex-to-damage that there wouldn't be a Rebuild allowed when the decision eventually came down, and after the issue was clarified people all over the boards cried foul.

Teachable life lessons, there.

I would strongly discourage trying to "game the system", if anyone reading this was thinking of doing so. If enough people do it it might ruin the enchantment for the people that are using it honestly (like for their growing Companions).

Liberty's Edge ** Venture-Agent, Utah—Logan aka ShieldLawrence

Thomas Hutchins wrote:
I'm unaware of them having done anything about that. So for the time being it's legal. The only considerations to be aware of are; do you think they'll change that and how long until they do and would you still want to play the character once they do?

I'd totally play the character still! I just wanted to know whether to do all the math and rebuild stuff one way or the other since I haven't played since that ruling and my tiger has mithral barding.

Getting pumped for our little PathCon this weekend ya know :)

Liberty's Edge ** Venture-Agent, Utah—Logan aka ShieldLawrence

Oh and the other reason I was asking was to determine whether to purchase the Armor Master's Handbook in order to gain access to the armor special ability.

Sovereign Court *** Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden aka Ascalaphus

I think when/if John gets around to reviewing this again, tiny armor for normal people will most likely get stopped. I would advise against doing it.

What's more uncertain is whether small/medium fitting armor for bigger creatures will be prevented. Also, whether they're capable of putting it on.

In the compilation of rules discussions I made for him my proposal boiled down to:

1) Only small+ Fitting armor. This blocks off cheese with tiny adamantine fullplate for normal characters.

2) You still pay extra for barding. The enchantment never says you don't.

3) Companions can put on Fitting armor if and only if they're proficient with it. This puts some limits on special material/Charger archetype tricks to skip armor proficiency feats. Also it settles the question about whether companions can even put it on if they're being helped by their master (who would also be holding pieces of the armor).

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Society Roleplaying Guild Subscriber

I decided it was more trouble than it was worth, so I turned my mammoths Noqual Fullplate into a +1 Deathless Poison-Resistant Comfort Fullplate and 750 gold spare.

The biggest effects the change had is that I went from a +2 to saves vs spells to Negative and Positive Energy Resistance 10 (but doesn't block healing), 25% chance to ignore a negative level attack, +3 resistance on saves vs poison and the mammoth can sleep in it while wearing it, it counts as cold weather gear and the armor doesn't give a penalty against heat.

The other changes are that it no longer weighs half as much (which doesn't really matter to a huge quadruped with 39 strength, 250 lbs is easily carried), the max dex went from +3 to +1 (which I balanced out with the +1 AC by making the armor magical) and the armor check penalty went from -2 to -4 (which doesn't really impact any skills the mammoth uses normally).

Yeah, it still sucks that I lose the option of using a boon material, but I've stopped caring. Either you're medium or you get punished for material choices that don't even give you more benefits for paying more.

Liberty's Edge ** Venture-Agent, Utah—Logan aka ShieldLawrence

Christian Cannell wrote:
Oh and the other reason I was asking was to determine whether to purchase the Armor Master's Handbook in order to gain access to the armor special ability.

I mean the Giant Hunter's Handbook, oopsie.

Liberty's Edge ** Venture-Agent, Utah—Logan aka ShieldLawrence

After reviewing this, I've decided to avoid future headache and use the cash from my old barding to go towards a Page of Spell Knowledge (Magic Vestment) for use with the Ice Armor spell. I've got resist energy in case of fire and plenty of castings (level 10 Oracle with a tiger companion from the Lunar mystery).

Thanks everyone!


Lau Bannenberg: I have an Eldritch Guardian archer with a Brownie Familiar (that is also an archer) wondering about how your proposal might affect Iron Lord's Transforming Slivers to be able to make armor and weapons usable for him. If I am not mistaken this is the only way to get Tiny sized gear for him in PFS currently. I think he doesn't even get to benefit from the discounted cost of material so I am not only stuck paying full price for his gear but paying a premium to have it downsized for him to use.

Sovereign Court *** Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden aka Ascalaphus

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Lune wrote:
Lau Bannenberg: I have an Eldritch Guardian archer with a Brownie Familiar (that is also an archer) wondering about how your proposal might affect Iron Lord's Transforming Slivers to be able to make armor and weapons usable for him. If I am not mistaken this is the only way to get Tiny sized gear for him in PFS currently. I think he doesn't even get to benefit from the discounted cost of material so I am not only stuck paying full price for his gear but paying a premium to have it downsized for him to use.

You can just buy tiny armor for your familiar. There's rules for it in the CRB. If you wanted to use special materials, the FAQ made it cheaper. You don't need the Fitting enchantment.

As for weapons, the Slivers are the only way I know to get tiny weapons. They're not the Fitting enchantment and I'm not aware of any discussion to ban them, so you should be good there.

Dark Archive ***

Lau Bannenberg wrote:
Lune wrote:
Lau Bannenberg: I have an Eldritch Guardian archer with a Brownie Familiar (that is also an archer) wondering about how your proposal might affect Iron Lord's Transforming Slivers to be able to make armor and weapons usable for him. If I am not mistaken this is the only way to get Tiny sized gear for him in PFS currently. I think he doesn't even get to benefit from the discounted cost of material so I am not only stuck paying full price for his gear but paying a premium to have it downsized for him to use.

You can just buy tiny armor for your familiar. There's rules for it in the CRB. If you wanted to use special materials, the FAQ made it cheaper. You don't need the Fitting enchantment.

As for weapons, the Slivers are the only way I know to get tiny weapons. They're not the Fitting enchantment and I'm not aware of any discussion to ban them, so you should be good there.

For weapons there is the Resizing enchantment. It kinda works as the Fitting enchantment.

Sovereign Court *** Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden aka Ascalaphus

Mr. Bonkers wrote:


For weapons there is the Resizing enchantment. It kinda works as the Fitting enchantment.

That might be an interesting one for my Goliath Druid, who sometimes needs to drop a polearm and pick it up again later.

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